mikemcfcwilde
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I am not quite sure he is good enough going forward but I hope he is, I love his determination and no fear attitude.
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I am not quite sure he is good enough going forward but I hope he is, I love his determination and no fear attitude.
Yeah Owen Coyle did give the 2 lads a good run out in the teams while they were at his teams. I think if we are looking at a manager who will give some lads a chance in the teams then the likes of Owen Coyle is that type of manager.
Agreed, Coyles a good one for giving youth a chance to develop and I wouldn't be surprised thats why he's headed where he has.
Vladi Weiss too I believe.Didnt coyle give Joey barton and willo flood a decent run of games when we loaned them to notlob
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I am not quite sure he is good enough going forward but I hope he is, I love his determination and no fear attitude.
Not trying to pick on you Mike, but you mind if I ask why you don't rate his ability going forward? We're talking about a guy who had more successful passes in the final third than any other Eredivisie player in 2016 -- and that was on a defensively-inclined team, where motivating forward campaigns was significantly trickier than it is at the top. He strikes me as such a technically gifted player for his age. Some of his decisions and touches are truly brilliant, and hard to find in a player of his experience -- knows what he's going to do with the ball long before it gets to his feet.
I worry that for some people (not directed at you, Mike) there's a preconceived notion about him because he's Irish. They imagine a lot of grit, determination, etc. etc. (fill in your own Irish stereotypes). Whereas if he was Spanish, Croatian, etc. he'd be lauded for his technique & vision.
Regardless, I wish he was staying for pre-season under Pep, because I do feel he's ready to be eased into our first team. But the backlog in our central attacking midfielder department is formidable, so if he goes out on loan good luck to the lad.
Not trying to pick on you Mike, but you mind if I ask why you don't rate his ability going forward? We're talking about a guy who had more successful passes in the final third than any other Eredivisie player in 2016 -- and that was on a defensively-inclined team, where motivating forward campaigns was significantly trickier than it is at the top. He strikes me as such a technically gifted player for his age. Some of his decisions and touches are truly brilliant, and hard to find in a player of his experience -- knows what he's going to do with the ball long before it gets to his feet.
I worry that for some people (not directed at you, Mike) there's a preconceived notion about him because he's Irish. They imagine a lot of grit, determination, etc. etc. (fill in your own Irish stereotypes). Whereas if he was Spanish, Croatian, etc. he'd be lauded for his technique & vision.
Regardless, I wish he was staying for pre-season under Pep, because I do feel he's ready to be eased into our first team. But the backlog in our central attacking midfielder department is formidable, so if he goes out on loan good luck to the lad.
Kind of with you on that mate. He scores goals like hardly anyone in our midfield does since Yaya lost his legs. Look at some of the long range strikes in here! Some absolute blinders for Cambuur last year.
Kind of with you on that mate. He scores goals like hardly anyone in our midfield does since Yaya lost his legs. Look at some of the long range strikes in here! Some absolute blinders for Cambuur last year.
I'm a big fan of Byrne but I wouldn't try and use goals to talk him up. He scored 4 in 27 games, in the Eredivisie which is hardly a league known for its solid defences.
If that represents goals from midfield than Fernandinho is a source of goals. Even Yaya - who you're saying can't get goals anymore, got 8 last season.
Byrne has a lot of talents - ball retention, vision, passing and a brilliant set piece delivery - but goal threat isn't something that he sticks out for.
Maybe it will be a side of his game that develops later.
I'm a big fan of Byrne but I wouldn't try and use goals to talk him up. He scored 4 in 27 games, in the Eredivisie which is hardly a league known for its solid defences.
If that represents goals from midfield than Fernandinho is a source of goals. Even Yaya - who you're saying can't get goals anymore, got 8 last season.
Byrne has a lot of talents - ball retention, vision, passing and a brilliant set piece delivery - but goal threat isn't something that he sticks out for.
Maybe it will be a side of his game that develops later.
On the contrary mate, it's something he's always be known for. Scored shit loads for the academy teams. Averages 1 in 3. The point was the quality of the goals in a player in his first ever season too, not the amount he has so far. It was in reference to the previous post I quoted about how people perhaps have a misconception of Irish players perhaps just being grafters, whereas he clearly is a player of excellent technique. The fact that he can score goals of the ilk he has done so far suggests that once he's found his place as an adult in a team he'll end up becoming that same goal scoring midfielder once again in the pro leagues, and a guy capable of scoring a blinder too. Fofana scored blinders for the EDS, but hasn't so far taken that into the pro game, Byrne has, and he's only just getting going. That's encouraging.
On the contrary mate, it's something he's always be known for. Scored shit loads for the academy teams. Averages 1 in 3. The point was the quality of the goals in a player in his first ever season too, not the amount he has so far. It was in reference to the previous post I quoted about how people perhaps have a misconception of Irish players perhaps just being grafters, whereas he clearly is a player of excellent technique. The fact that he can score goals of the ilk he has done so far suggests that once he's found his place as an adult in a team he'll end up becoming that same goal scoring midfielder once again in the pro leagues, and a guy capable of scoring a blinder too. Fofana scored blinders for the EDS, but hasn't so far taken that into the pro game, Byrne has, and he's only just getting going. That's encouraging.
I don't see it, having watched quite a few of his Cambuur matches, and like you said yourself, youth records mean very little. I'd be amazed if he got 10 league goals for Blackburn next seaosn and thats the minimum for a number 10 to be described as a goal threat.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
I don't see it, having watched quite a few of his Cambuur matches, and like you said yourself, youth records mean very little. I'd be amazed if he got 10 league goals for Blackburn next seaosn and thats the minimum for a number 10 to be described as a goal threat.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong though.
Point is he's always been a goalscorer. That literally is his game, and he's shown subtle signs this year that he could do it professionally too with three blinders and one very, very intelligently worked goal. It's in his blood and it's fair to expect that one day that will happen again. It might not, but it's not unreasonable to suspect otherwise. There's been nowt to suggest that in a good team playing forward thinking attacking football, as opposed to the negative one he was in last year, that he wouldn't score plenty in the future. Even Lampard took a few years to match his goalscoring record as a kid professionally. You have to adapt, but seeing as it was his game it was no surprise that he eventually did start doing it again when he grew into his own.
Point is he's always been a goalscorer. That literally is his game, and he's shown subtle signs this year that he could do it professionally too with three blinders and one very, very intelligently worked goal. It's in his blood and it's fair to expect that one day that will happen again. It might not, but it's not unreasonable to suspect otherwise. There's been nowt to suggest that in a good team playing forward thinking attacking football, as opposed to the negative one he was in last year, that he wouldn't score plenty in the future. Even Lampard took a few years to match his goalscoring record as a kid professionally. You have to adapt, but seeing as it was his game it was no surprise that he eventually did start doing it again when he grew into his own.
My point is I watched him 4 or 5 full games for them and despite clearly being Cambuur's best player, and being the focal point of their team, he just wasn't looking to score. I'm pretty sure I watched entire 90 minutes without a single shot from him, and without looking it up I reckon he'd probably average 1 or 2 shots a game. There were loads of opportunities for him to shoot, or look for goals, but almost in a Silva-esque manner, he just wasn't interested.
So I just can't see it happening any time soon - and to get back to the original point of this conversation, I certainly can't see him being the goal threat our midfield needs next season.
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