Jadon Sancho

[schfc6]

why would he come back to city anyway when he walked out and why would city want him back after the shit

Don't think it is as simple as that. We wanted him to stay, he wanted assurances of first team football, we couldn't give that. He wanted to then go back to London, we wouldn't allow that. Now this is where it depends who to believe. I've heard off a fairly reliable source that the reason we didn't want him back in London was for his own sake, we felt it wouldn't be good for him and his development. Wrong crowd/back home type of thing.
If this is the case, I imagine both parties will be fairly respectful of each other. I've certainly not heard Sancho badmouthing us. You can bet your life there's been not shortage of 'journalists' asking him to do so.

 

[ancoats]

Don't think it is as simple as that. We wanted him to stay, he wanted assurances of first team football, we couldn't give that. He wanted to then go back to London, we wouldn't allow that. Now this is where it depends who to believe. I've heard off a fairly reliable source that the reason we didn't want him back in London was for his own sake, we felt it wouldn't be good for him and his development. Wrong crowd/back home type of thing.
If this is the case, I imagine both parties will be fairly respectful of each other. I've certainly not heard Sancho badmouthing us. You can bet your life there's been not shortage of 'journalists' asking him to do so.

if that is true then he will not stay long in germany and a top english club will be signing soon if city did not want going to chelsea or arsenal or even spurs then for them reasons i would be surprises or maybe it was city did not want him at another top 4 club is the truth

city will not be signing him back and sancho will be going to the red scum over the road and they will feel like they have took one of us but it will not be cheap, and city will stand to make so free money on him so all is good, and i hope they Dortmund take the scum to the cleaners with a very big transfer and maybe a british record of £100million

 

[schfc6]

if that is true then he will not stay long in germany and a top english club will be signing soon if city did not want going to chelsea or arsenal or even spurs then for them reasons i would be surprises or maybe it was city did not want him at another top 4 club is the truth

city will not be signing him back and sancho will be going to the red scum over the road and they will feel like they have took one of us but it will not be cheap, and city will stand to make so free money on him so all is good, and i hope they Dortmund take the scum to the cleaners with a very big transfer and maybe a british record of £100million

If he becomes a genuine target for us, we will be in pole position to sign him.

 

[ancoats]

If he becomes a genuine target for us, we will be in pole position to sign him.

never coming back to man city in a million years

 

[schfc6]

never coming back to man city in a million years

That reads like a fact. I’d be interested to learn how you know this fact.

If he’s good enough & we want him, there’s every chance we’d have him back. Hence us inserting the first refusal clause in the deal.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Who's reliable mate?

Those that make the EDS/Academy their business,including our most informed member on here.

 

[Rolee]

Those that make the EDS/Academy their business,including our most informed member on here.

Any chance you could point me in the right direction, I've seen conflicting reports, who should I be listening to?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Proper bollocks that. Pellers knew his time with us would be brief until we got the man we actually wanted. Why on earth would he risk his own legacy for his short stint. He had a budget too unlike Poch. Poch is in it for the long haul, he has to work with youngsters because they won’t buy players the way we do. I’d rather Dmac got ten minutes here and there over a kid like Boyata etc. If they are good enough then by all means but the fact none of the kids during his time with us are doing much now suggests they wasn’t our level. Plus he brought Nacho through.

Great excuse that.

Fuck the club, my time will only be brief.

And of course Pep was originally on the same contract as Pellegrini, then the next bloke will be on a similar one, then the next, then the next.

All can choose to fuck the academy over, & look after No 1, or can choose have some responsibility to the club & it's future.

And he didn't 'bring Nacho through' we signed him & played him when his work permit came through.

 

[Neville Kneville]

If we bring back Sancho, it will be after Pep has gone.

 

[Saddleworth2]

If none of them are good enough, then fair enough. But most in the current EDS are not yet 'knocking on the door' of the first team. We are seeing Foden & Diaz involved in the first team. Unfortunately, Diaz is probably too good to play 2nd fiddle to Foden, but not quite good enough to force his way in, so will probably leave unless he gets on the pitch more regularly.

That's what has happened to Angelino & Maffeo. Pep had a look at them & figured they are not quite what he wants.

I don't have a problem with that.

I do have a problem with the previous old twat, completely ignoring most of our young players in order to placate average older players & then throwing them to the wolves, when he did play them.

That's where our reputation has come from. He should have been handing Pep about ten older kids who had all been tried at Premier League level, for Pep to test out & decide on.

But 5 mins of Navas or Demichelis in midfield was more important & safe.

That's what we need to repair if we want the best kids to stay here & save us from paying 120 mil a shot for jouneymen squad fillers, once the rags have fucked up the market further, which they will.

I really struggle with how we will ever keep our kids other than the truly world class/exceptionals like Phil. When you have a squad as we do now that is choc full of young 22-26 internationals at the very top of their game, there is always going to be a significant gap between them and our best youngsters. Its up to our youngsters then to show patience, learn their trade and eventually hopefully break through. Foden is doing it and to an extent Zinchenko is doing it. Sancho and Diaz are/were impatient for game time and went/will go to teams that can guarantee them more time. I cannot see the day when we will have a first team choc full of graduates - its not going to happen. I will be more than satisfied with one or two breaking through every 3/4 years and the rest being sold at a profit to the club. We have so far bought strategically for each position and I see that continuing.

 

[moomba]

For me, if you've got senior players on the fringes of the squad they're entitled just as much as kids to get an opportunity to play.

Imagine being a senior and sitting on the bench or the stands most weeks and being told when an opportunity for a few minutes arrives that you're not going to get it because someone younger and less established needs the chance. It's a recipe for disaster.

My solution was to cull the squad, have a core of 15/16 senior players and after that we make do with what we've got. Opportunities for the senior players and the kids would almost be forced upon us.

I posted a thread suggesting this a few years back. Some agreed but most didn't. I conceded at the time that it could have a negative impact on our results initially, but with long term benefits.

I'd still like to see it happen, but while we've got the likes of Danilo in the squad we can:t just ignore them when an opportunity comes.

The other thing I'd like to see is the cups used to give a taste of senior football to our younger players. We're not bad at the moment with Foden, Muric and Brahim getting good minutes. It was where I felt Pellegrini really fell down though.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I really struggle with how we will ever keep our kids other than the truly world class/exceptionals like Phil. When you have a squad as we do now that is choc full of young 22-26 internationals at the very top of their game, there is always going to be a significant gap between them and our best youngsters. Its up to our youngsters then to show patience, learn their trade and eventually hopefully break through. Foden is doing it and to an extent Zinchenko is doing it. Sancho and Diaz are/were impatient for game time and went/will go to teams that can guarantee them more time. I cannot see the day when we will have a first team choc full of graduates - its not going to happen. I will be more than satisfied with one or two breaking through every 3/4 years and the rest being sold at a profit to the club. We have so far bought strategically for each position and I see that continuing.

I don't actually care, how many we keep. It would be preferable to have a core of homegrown players but the rate at which we discard them is making that very unlikely. But I only care how many get a decent opportunity, to be the best they can whilst at City & have a fair test to see if they can make it. That has rarely happened.

There are two arguments which generally come up, mainly from those who don't really car about the subject but like to argue the toss anyhow. 1: 'If they are good enough, they will make it, no need to worry about it' (which usually has added: 'so & so is doing nothing at Barnstoneworth Utd since he left & if he was any good, he would have been outstanding there' which is just proof of complete ignorance of the subject by the posters involved).

2: 'Teams at City's level can't afford be starting kids every week (which nobody has EVER, EVER asked for them to do & is probably true) & this is usually followed with 'teams who win trophies don't bring through kids' which is the absolute opposite of the truth.

There is no risk & no problem, with getting kids involved in the first team squad, if they are talented kids. Most of the kids we have had, over the last ten years or more, are talented, some incredibly so. The problem would come, if those kids have to replace, for example Aguero or John Stones regularly, which, as you point out, they don't.

So we are left with the ideal situation: a squad full of brilliant players, a team which wins most matches & a shitload of games to play.

So that allows us to give Demichelis or Navas, an extra runout when we are 3-0 up.

That's the message we send out, for years. Then we wonder why Sancho fucks off when his contact runs out.

 

[Neville Kneville]

For me, if you've got senior players on the fringes of the squad they're entitled just as much as kids to get an opportunity to play.

Imagine being a senior and sitting on the bench or the stands most weeks and being told when an opportunity for a few minutes arrives that you're not going to get it because someone younger and less established needs the chance. It's a recipe for disaster.

My solution was to cull the squad, have a core of 15/16 senior players and after that we make do with what we've got. Opportunities for the senior players and the kids would almost be forced upon us.

I posted a thread suggesting this a few years back. Some agreed but most didn't. I conceded at the time that it could have a negative impact on our results initially, but with long term benefits.

I'd still like to see it happen, but while we've got the likes of Danilo in the squad we can:t just ignore them when an opportunity comes.

The other thing I'd like to see is the cups used to give a taste of senior football to our younger players. We're not bad at the moment with Foden, Muric and Brahim getting good minutes. It was where I felt Pellegrini really fell down though.

That's the point, it's not what's happening now which has created the problem. If we keep up the way we are going, we may repair it. Unfortunately, it probably won't rescue the Diaz situation, but we can't be perfect.

As regads the senior players, the perfect situation would be that one or two kids come through, are as good or better long term & replace a couple of them, so they do lose playing time as we go along & are then sold.

 

[ancoats]

That reads like a fact. I’d be interested to learn how you know this fact.

If he’s good enough & we want him, there’s every chance we’d have him back. Hence us inserting the first refusal clause in the deal.

the club did everything to keep him and at 17 wanted to go into the first team squad and demand game time, pep and the coaches did not think he was ready and how can to question pep with what he has done in the game, so sancho wanted a move or maybe it was the agent and the people behind knowing a offer was on the table from Dortmund and walked away from man city, since the move the media have done nothing but give city a bad name about the move and its always city let him slip away or did not want him

the club would be daft to pay big money for him and by the talk in the media he is valued at over £60million already ?? so if city tabled a offer you bet it would be £20million more knowing we have money so i don't see it, the lad got talent and a big ego but is so young and lots to learn but if he kicks up a storm every time the coach/manager does not feel like playing him then it could be a rocky road for the lad

 

[schfc6]

the club did everything to keep him and at 17 wanted to go into the first team squad and demand game time, pep and the coaches did not think he was ready and how can to question pep with what he has done in the game, so sancho wanted a move or maybe it was the agent and the people behind knowing a offer was on the table from Dortmund and walked away from man city, since the move the media have done nothing but give city a bad name about the move and its always city let him slip away or did not want him

the club would be daft to pay big money for him and by the talk in the media he is valued at over £60million already ?? so if city tabled a offer you bet it would be £20million more knowing we have money so i don't see it, the lad got talent and a big ego but is so young and lots to learn but if he kicks up a storm every time the coach/manager does not feel like playing him then it could be a rocky road for the lad

That’s the point, BVB can’t up the price for us. We have first refusal. That’s the point of the clause.

 

[ancoats]

That’s the point, BVB can’t up the price for us. We have first refusal. That’s the point of the clause.

they can and if they say we value him at £80million in the first place, the clause is to match the highest bid so if they say we have had a bid of £100million then if city want him back its the price we have to pay, maybe we have a small percentage like 15% cap on what we can get him for so that would be still £85million

for me its never going to happen and the value is daft and the lad still not played a good run of game starting from the start, lets see after 2 or 3 seasons of starting and having full seasons to see his progress and stats, at the moment its just talk and somebody is working hard in the sancho camp to keep is stock value at the highest peak and the media hype rolls on but the truth is in the pudding and why on earth would anybody gamble so much money on promise

 

[schfc6]

they can and if they say we value him at £80million in the first place, the clause is to match the highest bid so if they say we have had a bid of £100million then if city want him back its the price we have to pay, maybe we have a small percentage like 15% cap on what we can get him for so that would be still £85million

for me its never going to happen and the value is daft and the lad still not played a good run of game starting from the start, lets see after 2 or 3 seasons of starting and having full seasons to see his progress and stats, at the moment its just talk and somebody is working hard in the sancho camp to keep is stock value at the highest peak and the media hype rolls on but the truth is in the pudding and why on earth would anybody gamble so much money on promise

I don’t think he’ll ever be good enough to get what he wants at City.

But the point of the clause is we get first refusal at market value.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I don't actually care, how many we keep. It would be preferable to have a core of homegrown players but the rate at which we discard them is making that very unlikely. But I only care how many get a decent opportunity, to be the best they can whilst at City & have a fair test to see if they can make it. That has rarely happened.

There are two arguments which generally come up, mainly from those who don't really car about the subject but like to argue the toss anyhow. 1: 'If they are good enough, they will make it, no need to worry about it' (which usually has added: 'so & so is doing nothing at Barnstoneworth Utd since he left & if he was any good, he would have been outstanding there' which is just proof of complete ignorance of the subject by the posters involved).

2: 'Teams at City's level can't afford be starting kids every week (which nobody has EVER, EVER asked for them to do & is probably true) & this is usually followed with 'teams who win trophies don't bring through kids' which is the absolute opposite of the truth.

There is no risk & no problem, with getting kids involved in the first team squad, if they are talented kids. Most of the kids we have had, over the last ten years or more, are talented, some incredibly so. The problem would come, if those kids have to replace, for example Aguero or John Stones regularly, which, as you point out, they don't.

So we are left with the ideal situation: a squad full of brilliant players, a team which wins most matches & a shitload of games to play.

So that allows us to give Demichelis or Navas, an extra runout when we are 3-0 up.

That's the message we send out, for years. Then we wonder why Sancho fucks off when his contact runs out.

Mate, Manuel left three seasons ago. Pep has integrated a number of youngsters into the first team training and so far has given Phil a real chance and Brahim some opportunity. The rest not so much. I trust that he can see a player we should do our very best to keep and the only one so far is Phil. Sancho was up against Brahim, Sane, Stirling and latterly mahrez. There is an argument that if we hadn’t bought mahrez then one of them might have stayed but no certainty and Pep wanted Mahrez despite the risk of losing one of our youngsters. Sancho is still unproven, we don’t know where his ceiling is compared to Raz and Leroy. He, was with us for what, three years, learned his trade and decided he has more opportunity at his age, elsewhere. That seems to me to be perfectly logical. Good luck to the lad. Meanwhile our academy will generate significant and meaningful profit for the club whilst once in every while a graduate will make it to the first team squad. The players who go through the academy will certainly benefit from the coaching, the facilities and the fantastic education provided, surely a win win for all. Meanwhile we will continue to buy strategically, battle hardened youngsters, proven in their own league like Laporte, Kev, Bernardo and Leroy. Fantastic, amazing purchases.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Mate, Manuel left three seasons ago. Pep has integrated a number of youngsters into the first team training and so far has given Phil a real chance and Brahim some opportunity. The rest not so much. I trust that he can see a player we should do our very best to keep and the only one so far is Phil. Sancho was up against Brahim, Sane, Stirling and latterly mahrez. There is an argument that if we hadn’t bought mahrez then one of them might have stayed but no certainty and Pep wanted Mahrez despite the risk of losing one of our youngsters. Sancho is still unproven, we don’t know where his ceiling is compared to Raz and Leroy. He, was with us for what, three years, learned his trade and decided he has more opportunity at his age, elsewhere. That seems to me to be perfectly logical. Good luck to the lad. Meanwhile our academy will generate significant and meaningful profit for the club whilst once in every while a graduate will make it to the first team squad. The players who go through the academy will certainly benefit from the coaching, the facilities and the fantastic education provided, surely a win win for all. Meanwhile we will continue to buy strategically, battle hardened youngsters, proven in their own league like Laporte, Kev, Bernardo and Leroy. Fantastic, amazing purchases.

Seems far too much hype about Sancho and stress as in what if ?

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Sane is a proven player, is young, and has probably doubled his value since coming here. There's no way an 18 year old kid was going to jump ahead of him, maybe in a couple of years time, but for now Sancho wasn't prepared to learn off Pep and bide his time. I don't blame the kid for reading it this way but I think he was a year or two hasty in making his decision to leave. Water under the bridge now and it's time to move on.