Nice one pal. I’ll meet you at the embassy. Go right in and take a seat, someone will be along directly. ( what size clothes are you in?)
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bluethrunthru
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She went on the aggressive because she knew, that they knew, that she knew, that they did it.
It was glaringly obvious to the entire world that many of our allies imposed sanctions as well as us.
They released evidence after they had analysed it fully and so the Russians would struggle to excuse it.
Both us and Turkey have been clever. Nothing more or less.
The whole thing is a distraction anyway, state sponsored murder on another country’s soil, with banned chemical weapons is going to be news for a while regardless.
I wasn't criticsising either just considering the similarities
I wasn't criticsising either just considering the similarities
Fair enough.
I just think, for once, the useless woman couldn’t have done anything more.
inchy14
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I have thought of that and am currently laying boobytraps in the garden and surrounding roads. One Allah Ackbar and they’re mince. Plus Imoving to France and changing my name to le pole de magic. Bomb proof.
If that new name doesn’t attract the ladies nothing will!!
hilts
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No more atrocious with what went on in Turkey.
Turkey could be said to be accused of milking it leaking info to keep it relevant - I suspect had they not done so and just published whet they knew on day one by now Trump would have strong armed as many countries as he could to "over look it".
In terms of the poisoning Mayday immediately went on the offensive against Russia before anything was even proven. As I say it served as a useful Brexit distraction ( she would love one now ) but by doing so before they could publish any proof was the UK govt milking it for their own ends. Porton Down findings, CCTV footage etc etc all followed some time later.
Yeah cause a couple of days on the front pages really took care of brexit for her. I presume she was hoping it would have been wrapped in those few days ha ha Plus brexit was still all over the news.
I’m surprised you havent contemplated some bizarre plot against the Saudi’s yet.
Magicpole
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If that new name doesn’t attract the ladies nothing will!!
I know. I will try to oblidge in any way I can. I’m like that. All heart.
Magicpole
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Nice one pal. I’ll meet you at the embassy. Go right in and take a seat, someone will be along directly. ( what size clothes are you in?)
2sheikhs eh? I’m keeping my eye on you. Where you in Turkey recently?
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Saudi Arabia and the West have got a huge problem now.
It seems beyond doubt that MBS is fully implicated and if the Saudi's want to retain their strategic alliance with the west, it seems implausible that he can continue as the main power behind the throne. It's very difficult to guess what will happen as he appears to have purged a lot of his rivals so I'm not sure if there's any prospect of the king removing him as heir apparent and replacing him with one of his other sons or cousins, which is probably the only way to get the relationship back to how it was.
If the west follow Germany's lead and impose sanctions there's little doubt that the Russians, Chinese and other Asian countries will have no qualms about stepping in and filling the gap. Although I doubt that this is what the Saudis want they will use it as a bargaining tool and it could happen. It will also strengthen Iran's hand which is the last thing that the US wants. This is without mentioning the potential impact on energy security.
My guess is that, as a distraction, the Saudis will stop participating in the Yemen civil war which give them some credit with the west and try and sit out the Khashoggi scandal in the hope that the bigger picture of maintaining strategic alliances will be seen as more important than pushing Saudi into an alliance with rivals of the west. There will probably be some headline grabbing sanctions that won't have a huge impact on the multi billion dollar arms and oil businesses.
It seems beyond doubt that MBS is fully implicated and if the Saudi's want to retain their strategic alliance with the west, it seems implausible that he can continue as the main power behind the throne. It's very difficult to guess what will happen as he appears to have purged a lot of his rivals so I'm not sure if there's any prospect of the king removing him as heir apparent and replacing him with one of his other sons or cousins, which is probably the only way to get the relationship back to how it was.
If the west follow Germany's lead and impose sanctions there's little doubt that the Russians, Chinese and other Asian countries will have no qualms about stepping in and filling the gap. Although I doubt that this is what the Saudis want they will use it as a bargaining tool and it could happen. It will also strengthen Iran's hand which is the last thing that the US wants. This is without mentioning the potential impact on energy security.
My guess is that, as a distraction, the Saudis will stop participating in the Yemen civil war which give them some credit with the west and try and sit out the Khashoggi scandal in the hope that the bigger picture of maintaining strategic alliances will be seen as more important than pushing Saudi into an alliance with rivals of the west. There will probably be some headline grabbing sanctions that won't have a huge impact on the multi billion dollar arms and oil businesses.
Magicpole
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She went on the aggressive because she knew, that they knew, that she knew, that they did it.
It was glaringly obvious to the entire world that many of our allies imposed sanctions as well as us.
They released evidence after they had analysed it fully and so the Russians would struggle to excuse it.
Both us and Turkey have been clever. Nothing more or less.
The whole thing is a distraction anyway, state sponsored murder on another country’s soil, with banned chemical weapons is going to be news for a while regardless.
So what are you actually saying? That the Saudis carried this out to create a diversion for western countries who are having a hard time?
That Russia stepped in to help out Mayday by poisoning two people directly and two accidentally?
I’m getting a string feeeling you subscribe to conspiracy theories in relation to geopolitical occurrences.
What would you have done?
Exhibit A
A Russian dissident and his daughter are poisoned on our soil. After investigation it is claimed the poison is Russian. Should May have just said, fuck it, they knew they had betrayed their country, there’s nothing to see?
We then discover two Russian “government” employees going to Salisbury, staying an hour etc. Again nothing to see from May? You say it was a diversion. What would have been the reaction if she did nothing? People are attacked on our soil, but she lets it go? Two of our own people are then infected, one dies. Nothing? Keep schtum? That’s nonsense. Yes it happened to provide a brief diversion, but Brexit didn’t go away. Brexit will never go away. She gained no advantage politically from it.
Are you also suggesting she shouldn’t have called out Russia? That her sole motivation for doing so because Brexiteers where doing her nut in?
You then see the delay in the calling out Russia more fully, by the time it takes to gather evidence. Evidence takes time to gather, to process. To show probable cause and perpetrators. How we proceeded is perfectly plausible. To suggest other motives is easy. But had she just avoided it, what kind of signal does that send out to hostile Govt’s? Come here and kill anyone and we will just let it go? Get real.
Exhibit B
Saudi send a hit squad to kill a dissident on foreign soil. They then deny it for two weeks. The Turks have obviously bugged their consulate, because they claim to have a recording, still denied by Saudi. Turkey then leak a bit at a time information that totally fucks up the Saudi narrative. Is he using it to cause the most diplomatic pressure on a state they are at odds with? Absolutely, so wound I.
Saudi is initially backed by Trump. Trump needs the money Saudi have promised to enable them to murder more Yemeni kids in school buses. Trump gives not one fuck, so he clearly doesn’t want this. The Saudi new guy doesn’t need this either. This has been a disaster. We then move to scapegoat stage. Saudis then claim it’s a rogue action. Trump says that credible because he wants it to go away. We then find out a double, a autopsy surgeon are among the group. Even US republicans are calling on Trump to do something. Nobody wanted this. This is not a diversion. This is potentially an absolute nightmare for everybody. Saudi have deployed home tactics at an away game. Their lying and excuses are laughable. Turkey will release their evidence, maybe even today. Trump is shitting himself. If it’s as bad as the Turks say, it puts massive pressure on him and to a lesser extent May.
For us, increased pressure is mounting to stop selling them arms to kill Yemeni kids going to school. Does May want or need that? No. She went after Russia asking for sanctions. So, the extension of that case, is applicable here too. If she doesn’t call for sanctions and back Turkey she is open to charges of, selling bombs to kill kids makes more sense that backing up a position of being consistent. Do you actually believe she wants ot needs that? Has it diverted focus away from Brexit? No, it has added another landmine for her to skirt around. So where is the diversion any of them want? There is none. This is a geopolitical fuck up, that was caused by the Saudis thinking their barbarism travels. That’s it. In order for anybody to take your claims seriously requires you to put meat on those thin bones you put up as an explanation of what is actually happening.,
Evidence, you make large claims, so for such claims I ask you. Where is your evidence that it’s all a diversion? It’s easy to claim the big illuminati type scenario. But I have yet to see one piece of actual evidence for this. If you have it, include it in your synopsis of the situation, it would give it Gravitas and not read as it’s all a cover up for other things. Without actually providing any grounds that such an argument could be tested upon, it’s a conspiracy theorists eternal fall back. They are all controlling everything for shady dark gov’t shenanigans of control.
It’s easy to make claims. Back them up. That’s the hard part. And always the missing part of any conspiracy out there.
You may not be prone to believing conspiracy theories, but how you phrase your concerns certainly reads that way.