Jeremy Doku

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salfordbluetrue said:
I do not think we are going in for Doku, but he is a fantastic player, the clip above is a decent indication of his ability, but his best performance was against PSG when he first arrived at Rennes, he singlehandedly destroyed them, full matches reveal more than clips, it was a performance that Hazard or Neymar wished they could do, injuries will not be the reason we do not go for him, he would be an impact player in his first season anyway, but no one thought we could get 20 games out of Gundogan
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So why won't we go for him?
 
Dax777 said:
So why won't we go for him?
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He's a bit too rough round the edges for Pep.

Erratic finisher, touch can be a bit too heavy, football IQ isn't as good as other players.

He's very exciting to watch, but falls in the same bracket as Saint Maximin for me.

Can't see this one happening in the slightest.
 
Dax777 said:
So why won't we go for him?
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Becasuse he is a winger, a very good winger that can use both feet, play both wings, cross, pass, dribble and shoot, but he is not versatile enough to turn up at left back as Bernardo did, and not potent enough in front of net that kept Marhez in the squad, but it is wrong to call him another Saint Maximin as he is a headless chicken, a cross between SWP and Sterling might be more accurate. though he has a better touch than Sterling and is stronger than SWP..
 
ElMago_DSilva said:
He's a bit too rough round the edges for Pep.

Erratic finisher, touch can be a bit too heavy, football IQ isn't as good as other players.

He's very exciting to watch, but falls in the same bracket as Saint Maximin for me.

Can't see this one happening in the slightest.
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He's 21 and played in both the Euros and World Cup. He's got huge potential for growth. Because Saint Maximin didn't develop has no bearing on what Doku will do, especially at better club with better coaching.
 
Doku or olisse???
Its like I haven't heard or seen them play.
We will be relying on pep rather than them.
Its a pity.... How quality has waned now a days.
 
himalayan_blues said:
Doku or olisse???
Its like I haven't heard or seen them play.
We will be relying on pep rather than them.
Its a pity.... How quality has waned now a days.
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It’s an interesting point regarding quality levels, has football & its players reached their peak ? Have the small margin gains been exhausted by clubs ? It may be true in terms of fitness levels, maybe that will get worse due to current & future demands. Academies seem to be a production line of similar type & standard of player these days, gone are the mavericks & difference makers. This may all be temporary of course, but you’re spot on when you say there’s a noticeable drop in the amount of top drawer players around/available, maybe it’s the market we shop in ? I can’t see the day other top clubs in the PL sell to us again, which reduces the market drastically, meaning we look to the games producers like Brighton RBL & Dortmund
 
salfordbluetrue said:
I do not think we are going in for Doku, but he is a fantastic player, the clip above is a decent indication of his ability, but his best performance was against PSG when he first arrived at Rennes, he singlehandedly destroyed them, full matches reveal more than clips, it was a performance that Hazard or Neymar wished they could do, injuries will not be the reason we do not go for him, he would be an impact player in his first season anyway, but no one thought we could get 20 games out of Gundogan
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"no one thought we could get 20 games out of Gundogan"
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Jesus H Gabz said:
It’s an interesting point regarding quality levels, has football & its players reached their peak ? Have the small margin gains been exhausted by clubs ? It may be true in terms of fitness levels, maybe that will get worse due to current & future demands. Academies seem to be a production line of similar type & standard of player these days, gone are the mavericks & difference makers. This may all be temporary of course, but you’re spot on when you say there’s a noticeable drop in the amount of top drawer players around/available, maybe it’s the market we shop in ? I can’t see the day other top clubs in the PL sell to us again, which reduces the market drastically, meaning we look to the games producers like Brighton RBL & Dortmund
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Surely quality is more now just that the gap has also been reduced even league one players are fit professional well drilled etc ?

Also haven’t we moved away from flare wingers that can we hot and cold to. So it look like quality is less in fact quality might be the same or even more but it’s not on the wing or not as noticeable / exciting / high but might be more consistent
 
salfordbluetrue said:
That`s right when we bought Gundogan his injuries were thought to be carreer ending, which is why we got one of the best players in Europe for £20 million.
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Career threatening is a crazy thing to say.

No club is going to put 20m and a huge contract on a player in that situation.

He had a serious knee injury that we clearly thought was treatable and reparable.
 
Keeper! said:
Career threatening is a crazy thing to say.

No club is going to put 20m and a huge contract on a player in that situation.

He had a serious knee injury that we clearly thought was treatable and reparable.
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I thought he'd had back issues and got his knee injury just after signing for us?
 
FMwkdsoul said:
Think i'd prefer this kid (or similar) over Olise. Pacey, livewire option we dont really have in the mix.
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Agreed, keep Palmer and sign Doku. Grealish/Foden/Doku on the left, Bernardo/Palmer/Doku/Bobb on the right. Don`t quite see how Gomez would get many minutes if we sign a winger that can play both sides. Won`t play LB in this system I think, and Pep doesn`t really play him centrally either. As a winger he`d be 3rd choice at best. I like him and think he could be a brilliant CM, but a move to a midtable PL side would be better for his career IMO

I`d guess Palmer going to Brighton is his own wish rather than the clubs, so I still think he`ll be off. A goal in a pre-season friendly probably won`t change that. Hope it`s just a loan
 
FMwkdsoul said:
Think i'd prefer this kid (or similar) over Olise. Pacey, livewire option we dont really have in the mix.
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I agree. I like both players, and Olise does perhaps suit our way of playing better with much of our focus being on controlling the game. But Doku feels like a player that would add a bit more chaos in the attacking third, which I think we could need sometimes, especially when chasing a goal. Olise would add more of what we already got, and considering our results no-one can argue that would be a bad thing so he would probably be a good signing too. I just like the idea of having an option that can offer something a bit different than what we currently have on the wings :)
 
Vester said:
I agree. I like both players, and Olise does perhaps suit our way of playing better with much of our focus being on controlling the game. But Doku feels like a player that would add a bit more chaos in the attacking third, which I think we could need sometimes, especially when chasing a goal. Olise would add more of what we already got, and considering our results no-one can argue that would be a bad thing so he would probably be a good signing too. I just like the idea of having an option that can offer something a bit different than what we currently have on the wings :)
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Agree, wouldnt be adverse to both IF palmer is going though. Gomez i'd get gone as well.
 
Roazhon said:
Bonjour, je suis un supporter rennais (oui, un très mauvais français, je suis désolé), et je comprends que Doku puisse amener des avis contradictoires. Depuis son arrivée à Rennes en 2020, il est handicapé par un nombre important de blessures musculaires, avec une indisponibilité souvent longue. Les supporters rennais ont fini par croire qu'il ne reviendrait jamais. Mais au printemps dernier, son retour s'est fait progressivement, remplaçant souvent au départ, puis remplacé en cours de match, une fois redevenu titulaire. En fait, il n'a pas été blessé à nouveau. Mieux, il a beaucoup progressé dans son jeu, collectivement, en efficacité aussi, sans perdre ses incroyables qualités de dribbles et de vitesse. Beaucoup plus cohérent. Tout cela en quelques mois. Il confirme ainsi l'énorme potentiel entrevu, et cela s'est confirmé en fin de saison, alors que Rennes peinait à accrocher la 5ème place, et risquait la 6ème, ou pire, l'équipe terminait en trombe pour finir 4ème. Doku a largement participé à la fin, par sa finesse. Le prix demandé, 50 M€ ? Le football c'est fou, financièrement, ce n'est pas nouveau pour toi, et ça devient n'importe quoi, d'accord. Maintenant, si Chelsea a signé notre milieu de terrain de 19 ans Ugochukwu pour 26 millions d'euros, 50 millions pour Doku n'est pas fou (et on peut penser qu'après négociations, nous serons plus proches de 40). Seule réserve que je formulerais : est-ce que ses problèmes musculaires sont enfin terminés, au point de ne plus être arrêté pendant 3 mois tous les 4 mois ! Depuis le printemps, heureusement, tout va bien. Bonne saison, et merci de récolter toute la pluie qui tombe en Bretagne, je ne suis pas une grenouille ! Doku a largement participé à la fin, par sa finesse. Le prix demandé, 50 M€ ? Le football c'est fou, financièrement, ce n'est pas nouveau pour toi, et ça devient n'importe quoi, d'accord. Maintenant, si Chelsea a signé notre milieu de terrain de 19 ans Ugochukwu pour 26 millions d'euros, 50 millions pour Doku n'est pas fou (et on peut penser qu'après négociations, nous serons plus proches de 40). Seule réserve que je formulerais : est-ce que ses problèmes musculaires sont enfin terminés, au point de ne plus être arrêté pendant 3 mois tous les 4 mois ! Depuis le printemps, heureusement, tout va bien. Bonne saison, et merci de récolter toute la pluie qui tombe en Bretagne, je ne suis pas une grenouille !
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Oui
 
Delphinho said:
Agreed, keep Palmer and sign Doku. Grealish/Foden/Doku on the left, Bernardo/Palmer/Doku/Bobb on the right. Don`t quite see how Gomez would get many minutes if we sign a winger that can play both sides. Won`t play LB in this system I think, and Pep doesn`t really play him centrally either. As a winger he`d be 3rd choice at best. I like him and think he could be a brilliant CM, but a move to a midtable PL side would be better for his career IMO

I`d guess Palmer going to Brighton is his own wish rather than the clubs, so I still think he`ll be off. A goal in a pre-season friendly probably won`t change that. Hope it`s just a loan
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You think Palmer would want Brighton himself? Not sure I would agree with that.

I would think he would prefer to stay with us and take his chance.
 
Keeper! said:
Career threatening is a crazy thing to say.

No club is going to put 20m and a huge contract on a player in that situation.

He had a serious knee injury that we clearly thought was treatable and reparable.
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The reason he only cost £20m was because he had suffered two career threatening injuries in three seasons and was prone to all kinds of injuries throughout his career up until then.

It was a gamble and the price reflected that.
 
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