Jihadi John Song

cookster said:
Just wrong on so many levels. You always get a minority of morons at any football club, I just hope if this is sang again, it is shouted down.
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The biggest problem being that the sequence of events in the song are factually incorrect because Jihadi John was killed before the Paris Attacks.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I agree about the inclusion of names, but the overall 'message' is a put down of a terrorist, a shit song to be sure, sung by pissheads,
but that's all it is. My 12 year old daughter was sat on the bin outside McDonald's where a bomb had been planted by the IRA, 15 minutes before it exploded,
killing two children; we still told jokes about the IRA, we still vociferously denounced them, we did not cravenly demand that any criticism of this
vile terrorist group be stifled, in case they took reprisals.
Plus, I don't see what politics has to do with this.
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But we didn't do this at Maine Road iirc and that's the point many are trying to make. It's not football related so it shouldn't be brought into football.

If people choose to tell jokes about the IRA and denounce them, I'm sure they're free to do so elsewhere. I'm sure ISIS believe they have right on their side as will those they are fighting against. How would you feel if someone unfurled a banner in support of them? Uncomfortable? Furious?

I'd feel the same way too, but I'd also feel the same way if someone unfurled a banner denouncing ISIS and supporting Assad. Neither has any place in football and we should fight to keep it that way.
 
A lot of football chants from all clubs have been over the years tasteless or crass, you just have to look at hartlepool, but the main thing with this is that it is just a shite pointless song. It doesn't back the club or a player, it has no relevance to us, it references a recent tragic event fresh in peoples minds and tries to lampoon Daesh but just comes across crapply, I could also point out there will be season ticket holders directly affected by acts of violence by Daesh and were in or know people who were in paris and maybe don't want to hear the subject sang about whether in jest or not.

I get people saying "well I bet you sang Uwe's Grandad" of course if you break it down that song is crass 33 people died in the trafford industrial estate bombings, but that song 1. refernces the stretford end not the manchester blitz as a whole, 2. Would more than likely be treated the same as this song if it happened 2 months ago. 3. Actually is poking fun at our local rivals losing thier ground. So slightly different than this new song.

As for Munich songs I can admit I have uttered them when I was around 18-19 pissed and less sensible than now at away games in a group. I wouldn't now and a lot have probably done the same, and this is the thing, football can be a mob culture, a shit song ripped off from a shite west ham song with bits added started by a small group think it's a laugh, can easily be just picked up and sang by more people, especially at an away game.


The song though despite the content is shite just as a song and will probably dissapear as soon as it starts, doubt it will catch on at home.
 
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i8rags said:
One of the mst disgusting human beings to grace our planet gets mocked about his death in a song, so what.
I've head the hitler songs, and the songs sung at spurs fans, the endless Munich songs and this is of similar ilk.
I've heard the anti ira songs sung with vigour on mass by England fans, again it's of a similar nature, it's no great drama blues but it is no more or less than we have heard at football grounds for many year.
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That's as maybe, but it still doesn't make it right in my book. In your list you also missed bananas being thrown at black players, but I suppose 'it's no great drama' either? Where do you draw the line?

None of it had/has/should have any place in football.
 
Dribble said:
But we didn't do this at Maine Road iirc and that's the point many are trying to make. It's not football related so it shouldn't be brought into football.

If people choose to tell jokes about the IRA and denounce them, I'm sure they're free to do so elsewhere. I'm sure ISIS believe they have right on their side as will those they are fighting against. How would you feel if someone unfurled a banner in support of them? Uncomfortable? Furious?

I'd feel the same way too, but I'd also feel the same way if someone unfurled a banner denouncing ISIS and supporting Assad. Neither has any place in football and we should fight to keep it that way.
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Have to disagree a little with this in the late 80's early 90's on the kippax their were groups of fans who aligned their city aleigence with rangers and were singing no surrender (which was being sang the other week in the south stand concourse also) and bobby sands songs, and if challenged threatened other fans, they were normally shouted down, but it used to happen.
 
It will end up like this.

It will be sung at away games and on the concourse at home games by the youth.(before and after a few Beers)
But just like 'Who's that dieing on the runway", "Dig up Matt Busby", etc, it will eventually die(no pun intended) out.

That aside. I'm a liberal and I firmly believe People should be allowed to say and do what they want as long as it isn't breaking the law.
We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is permitted.

But in a Pc and commonsense World, it doesn"t do our fans and the club any favours.
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned it on here already so apologies in advance, but the clubs official Snapchat feed posted a clip of "the fans in fine voice" singing that jihadi song.

Thought it was quite sour.
 
Dribble said:
But we didn't do this at Maine Road iirc and that's the point many are trying to make. It's not football related so it shouldn't be brought into football.

If people choose to tell jokes about the IRA and denounce them, I'm sure they're free to do so elsewhere. I'm sure ISIS believe they have right on their side as will those they are fighting against. How would you feel if someone unfurled a banner in support of them? Uncomfortable? Furious?

I'd feel the same way too, but I'd also feel the same way if someone unfurled a banner denouncing ISIS and supporting Assad. Neither has any place in football and we should fight to keep it that way.
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I can't agree with you dude. Slag them of at every turn. Football is part of our society it's one of many cultural pastimes as it is for many other countries. These fuckers would rather see a head go into a net than the ball. Sing loud, sing it proud.
 
jrb said:
It will end up like this.

It will be sung at away games and on the concourse at home games by the youth.(before and after a few Beers)
But just like 'Who's that dieing on the runway", "Dig up Matt Busby", etc, it will eventually die(no pun intended) out.

That aside. I'm a liberal and I firmly believe People should be allowed to say and do what they want as long as it isn't breaking the law.
We live in a democracy where freedom of speech is permitted.

But in a Pc and commonsense World, it doesn"t do our fans and the club any favours.
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WTF! democracy and freedom of speech just two things that those scumbags want eradicating. They have already targeted football. Is your main concern it will upset our owner's?
 
urban genie said:
Have to disagree a little with this in the late 80's early 90's on the kippax their were groups of fans who aligned their city aleigence with rangers and were singing no surrender (which was being sang the other week in the south stand concourse also) and bobby sands songs, and if challenge threatened other fans, they were normally shouter down, but it used to happen.
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Yes I was there when this happened, but it didn't make it right and has consequences.

Many, many years later we played Celtic at CoMS in our final pre-season match. Walking back to my car I was walking behind thousands of Celtic fans with my then 4 year old son when bottles, bricks, stones, the lot came raining down on us from some young scrotes who I assume were City fans. They were chanting sectarian songs and the 30-40 of them larging it up against thousands of Celtic would have been slaughtered if the Celtic fans could have been arsed to respond

My point is, most of these kids wouldn't have known shit about the troubles in Northern Ireland from experience as they would have been too young, the little they would have known would have been passed down from older knuckle heads and these kids felt the need to carry it on for another generation. This is no different to other troubles around the world whether it be Israel/Palestines, Germany/Allies, Cheetham Hill/ Moss Side, they all have their reasons for being involved in conflict, but imo it has no place in football.

If those kids were so arsed about the sectarian troubles in Glasgow, why not use their match ticket money and get a train ticket to Scotland to go and have it with any Celtic fans who give a fuck? Nah, that's too much effort. Better just wait until we next play Celtic and hide ourselves amongst thousands of other football fans to make our point. There's one word for them, shit-houses.....
 
Dribble said:
Yes I was there when this happened, but it didn't make it right and has consequences.

Many, many years later we played Celtic at CoMS in our final pre-season match. Walking back to my car I was walking behind thousands of Celtic fans with my then 4 year old son when bottles, bricks, stones, the lot came raining down on us from some young scrotes who I assume were City fans. They were chanting sectarian songs and the 30-40 of them larging it up against thousands of Celtic would have been slaughtered if the Celtic fans could have been arsed to respond

My point is, most of these kids wouldn't have known shit about the troubles in Northern Ireland from experience as they would have been too young, the little they would have known would have been passed down from older knuckle heads and these kids felt the need to carry it on for another generation. This is no different to other troubles around the world whether it be Israel/Palestines, Germany/Allies, Cheetham Hill/ Moss Side, they all have their reasons for being involved in conflict, but imo it has no place in football.

If those kids were so arsed about the sectarian troubles in Glasgow, why not use their match ticket money and get a train ticket to Scotland to go and have it with any Celtic fans who give a fuck? Nah, that's too much effort. Better just wait until we next play Celtic and hide ourselves amongst thousands of other football fans to make our point. There's one word for them, shit-houses.....
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Oh I agree this has no place in football and I wasn't trying to say it's always gone on, just that dickheads before used to sing crass songs but were soon shut up by the majority, and I hope the same would happen again.
 
VOOMER said:
I can't agree with you dude. Slag them of at every turn. Football is part of our society it's one of many cultural pastimes as it is for many other countries. These fuckers would rather see a head go into a net than the ball. Sing loud, sing it proud.
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Slag them all you want at your own leisure, but why hide behind football to do it?

Trust me 90% of those chanting that crap couldn't be arsed to organise their own special interest march to protest about ISIS, its much easier to gain an audience at a well attended football match even though the vast majority go there for the football not the politics.
 
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