Jim Cassell

[Citizenhill]

Oh the u18s are 3pts clear? well if its about winning titles then Jim better dare not get his dozen or more titles out on show then and we are signing Pozo? Wrong we are buying Pozo i presume? Razaak not good enough and been sent back early from two loans. Football outside of first team is a specialist job.More coaching involved than first team. Thats why Ajax have legends and their best coaches working with their schoolboys and youths . I ASK THE QUESTION?? do we?

-- Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:25 pm --

by the way maybe we do? i just dont know who does what thesedays?

Since when did he come back from Brighton?

 

[LoveCity]

Razaak not good enough and been sent back early from two loans.

Not true at all, his Portsmouth one-month loan expired and he was highly regarded there. His Brighton loan is ongoing. He's a fantastic talent and everyone speaks highly of him.

 

[Mike D]

In the Garry Cook thread, daveduke67 said that there was concern at City that, whereas Arsenal & Barca regularly produced top-class internationals, at City 39 kids had played for first team after coming through the system but only one of these was currently an established international.

Jim Cassell is an extremely nice man and was fine for where we were but we need to push on. Where is our Fabregas, Iniesta, Wilshere, Rooney, Bale, etc? That's what the fall-out between Hughes and Cassell was all about. MH felt strongly that the youth players weren't being properly prepared for life in the Premiership and, more importantly, the owners backed him up.

And I suppose that decisions has been vindicated where as before we were bringing through the likes of SWP, Barton, Onhou, Richards.

Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.

When you see us being entered into a European Youth comp and you think to yourself we can't be the wiipping boys Celtic are in there, and we are given a lesson by them I guess that sets the tone for how far we've come since the genius MH interfeared. Hughes has a lot to answer for not only did he take the 1st team backwards he destroyed the crown jewal of the youth set up.

 

[LoveCity]

Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.

The Preston game was the EDS, a mix of age groups and this same mix beat United 4-2 also so you can't cherry pick the bad results. Our actual U18 team, the ones eligible for the FA Youth Cup (which we are out of yes but...), are top of their Premier Youth Group by 3pts with a game in hand on 2nd place Liverpool (United are 2nd from bottom).

The last generation of English/British youths has been a great disappointment (and many of these were in Jim's last group I think) with none of Bunn, Trippier, Mee, McGivern, Cunningham, Nimely, etc., looking like they will make it (Mee and Trippier already gone). But every club has generations like this and the U18 generation has a lot of promise with players like George Evans (promoted to the reserves having barely turned 17), Hiwula, Angus Gunn, and Kennedy doing very well. And now Dan Smith is about to join from Crewe and he's a special talent.

And now we're getting some top foreign teens who we would never have been able to get hold of in the past like Suarez, Rekik, and at under-16 level Pozo, Marcos Lopes, and other new signings.

Our youth system is as good as it has ever been, the standards of the first team are just so high that someone like Joey Barton would not be good enough to break through now. But if a player is good enough, like Guidetti seems to be (recent reports suggest he'll be in the first team squad next season), there should still be a chance for them.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

In the Garry Cook thread, daveduke67 said that there was concern at City that, whereas Arsenal & Barca regularly produced top-class internationals, at City 39 kids had played for first team after coming through the system but only one of these was currently an established international.

Jim Cassell is an extremely nice man and was fine for where we were but we need to push on. Where is our Fabregas, Iniesta, Wilshere, Rooney, Bale, etc? That's what the fall-out between Hughes and Cassell was all about. MH felt strongly that the youth players weren't being properly prepared for life in the Premiership and, more importantly, the owners backed him up.

And I suppose that decisions has been vindicated where as before we were bringing through the likes of SWP, Barton, Onhou, Richards.

Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards. The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.

When you see us being entered into a European Youth comp and you think to yourself we can't be the wiipping boys Celtic are in there, and we are given a lesson by them I guess that sets the tone for how far we've come since the genius MH interfeared. Hughes has a lot to answer for not only did he take the 1st team backwards he destroyed the crown jewal of the youth set up.

Actually it was the owners who changed things round. Hughes & Cassell disagreed so they got a third party in who did a report for them comparing our set-up to Arsenal's. Turned out we focused on winning youth trophies but they focused on getting players prepared for the first team.

So while the owners had no beef with Jim Cassell and were in no doubt that he was a good mentor for the kids they moved him away from direct control of the kids. I've no idea whether Andy Welsh is any good or not whereas you automatically assume not because Hughes appointed him. but it takes a good few years to change the culture and structure of the Academy like we're doing and it's probably the 13/14 year olds coming in now who will first reap the benefits.

 

[moomba]

Actually it was the owners who changed things round. Hughes & Cassell disagreed so they got a third party in who did a report for them comparing our set-up to Arsenal's. Turned out we focused on winning youth trophies but they focused on getting players prepared for the first team.

Is Arsenal really the benchmark youth set-up?

Look at their team now and I can't think of many of their kids contributing at a high level.

They'll quote Fabregas, but he went straight into the first team from Barca, Ashley Cole and Wilshire were good products but thats about it that I can think of.

I think we could have done better (and may have with the talk about studying Barcelonas youth set-up).

As far as the ideal youth system goes, I think producing kids for the first team is essential. But I'd hate to see us give up on the objective of producing winning kids teams as well.

 

[Manc in London]

Now we are bringing through f*ck all we have some clown calledl Welsh one of Sparkeys pal's from Blackburn who's a an absolute clueless f*ckwit and is taking the set up more backwards than forwards.

I thought Andy Welsh joined us from Leeds United, where he was leading the Academy.

I have no idea whether or not he is good at what he does. I honestly don’t know as my knowledge of youth football is mainly taken from this forum and the Academy/Reserves blog. With Khaldoon’s numerous references to the importance of youth football, and the amount of funds being used to develop a world class training facility, as well as investment in some highly rated talents from across Europe, I would think that the club will be closely monitoring the output from the youth set-up.

The youth set up is a farce we used to be up there with the elite when Jim was around winning FA Youth Cups. Now we struggle against against dicked against the likes of Preston.

Preston? Wasn’t that an EDS game?

If memory serves, we have only won one FAYC since the likes of Steve Redmond and Paul Moulden were in the youth team. Wasn't Tony Book manager of the youth team in those days?

When you see us being entered into a European Youth comp and you think to yourself we can't be the wiipping boys Celtic are in there, and we are given a lesson by them I guess that sets the tone for how far we've come since the genius MH interfeared. Hughes has a lot to answer for not only did he take the 1st team backwards he destroyed the crown jewal of the youth set up.

Jim Cassell has not been the leading figure in the Academy for around three years. You cannot judge the success of an Academy based on three years. I would think that the lack of quality produced by the Academy in the last three years is more to do with the previous postholder rather than the current one.

 

[salfordpaul]

FAO Lovecity i think you will find that Portsmouth didnt want Razak to stay and nor do Brighton and he wont play again for them just watch Cassell worked within a remit and budget and climate and was never afforded the latest improvement in funds or facilities. If he did he would addapt accordingly and make us the best.Now at academy there are City coats aplenty lots of standing around and its a ferrari without a driver. Wonder if Brian Kidd may go back one day if ever surplus with first team.? If the coaches are good enough then fine but i just couldnt see 3 ex city running the youth teams at the raggs so why do we have 3 raggs doing it for us? the youth team seem good but that next gen thing was an absolute embarrasing joke for the club. Why dont the Club just put Casssell back in there as a mentor to this Welsh?

 

[Manc in London]

but i just couldnt see 3 ex city running the youth teams at the raggs so why do we have 3 raggs doing it for us?

United have had a few ex Blues as coaches, including Tony Coton and Brian Kidd. Eric Steele is at United, and he was our goalkeeper coach for a while.

 

[LoveCity]

FAO Lovecity i think you will find that Portsmouth didnt want Razak to stay and nor do Brighton and he wont play again for them just watch

You're lying to serve your agenda of our academy somehow being wank when it's not.

Razak's loan spell at Portsmouth was for one month and we did not give them the option to extend because we needed cover with Yaya's AfCon stint imminent.

Read the manager's quotes:

"Abdul came on at Watford and did everything I would expect a midfield player to do, so it's disappointing that he has gone back,” he told the club’s official website.

"He's a talent that I would have liked to have worked with for longer to get the best out of him, particularly playing higher up the pitch because he can pick a pass out.

"But I don't blame Manchester City for wanting him back because they've got some big games coming up.

As for Brighton, similar story. Assulin, who has featured less than Razak, has just extended his loan there till the end of the season also.

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