Jimmy Carr

[I'm With Stupid]

There’s 2 things here. One is that you seem to think Lee doesn’t have any genuine critique of anything when he’s on stage. If he dedicates a bit to taking down UKIPs immigration policy, he doesn’t leave the stage and actually agree with it. He’s chosen to write material about it to critique it. When he decides to do a bit about very famous comedians thinking they’re being edgy by punching down on people, he is actually criticising that.

Secondly, after you shifted the goalposts and decided for some reason that nothing said on stage could be relied on as real, Iposted a column where he takes apart the entire concept of comedians who think they are fighting Wokeism and saying the things no one can say, which is explicitly what Carr is doing here - he prefaced the joke by saying “this might end my career hahahaha”. I even clipped out the important bit because I knew you wouldn’t read the whole thing.

But Apparently you can’t see it’s a criticism of this Carr routine because it’s not literally mentioning him by name, which is fucking tragic but perhaps I should have expected it.

I mean let's post the whole thing so that people can make up their own minds.

But of course the initial quote I chose was to illustrate the point that what Jimmy Carr says on stage is not what he or the audience actually believe, and indeed that's the point of that kind of comedy. So regardless of what Stewart Lee thinks, I think the quote is clearly accurate for Carr. If you disagree, then you presumably believe one of three things:

1. Jimmy Carr is genuinely happy about the lives lost to gypsies.
2. Jimmy Carr doesn't literally believe what he says, but it comes from a position of anti-gypsy sentiment, so he is at best indifferent to their deaths and ill treatment.
3. Jimmy Carr meant the joke ironically, but enough of the audience harbour anti-gypsy sentiments that it's still irresponsible to say it because it normalises anti-gypsy sentiment.

I think the last one is the only vaguely realistic objection to the joke, but I think it's a pretty patronising position. Even so, I think the little post-joke section and Jehovah's Witness routine shows that Carr recognises this possibility and tries to mitigate it.

 

[Coatigan]

Here is a context to test a point.


Imagine I now posted jimmy carr's joke, verbatum, on the joke thread. Not as a meme or a quote, just simple text under my username, as if i am the one saying it.

Folk scrolling through that thread see the joke. At the same time as it is all over the web and twitter, and has at least two threads with live discussion on it.

Not satire as such, but abstract at the very least, or meta or whatever the term is. A play on the timing and attention it is getting, and a bit of an in-joke within a limited audience on BM. A joke on a joke.

Maybe some chuckle maybe they don't, but I'd hardly be worried about anyone thinking i actually mean the joke.

Does that context make that joke more palatable? It is still crass. But the point is completely different. If so, then there is a context where that joke isn't 'unacceptable'.

 

[oakiecokie]

Too many snowflakes.The fuckers are everywhere.
You know what to expect from people like Jimmy Carr and if you are enraged then tough shite.He forwarned his audience what too expect anyway.

 

[SWP's back]

his dark material on netflix is funny as fuck

This.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

doubt it, a compilation of him saying the N word over the years has been put together and he’s already had to come out and explain the context

Maybe ice cube and NWA will remove their music from Spotify in protest at Rogan using the 'n' word? I can barely keep up with the riteous outrage - good news for Jimmy Carr.

 

[mccity]

Here is a context to test a point.


Imagine I now posted jimmy carr's joke, verbatum, on the joke thread. Not as a meme or a quote, just simple text under my username, as if i am the one saying it.

Folk scrolling through that thread see the joke. At the same time as it is all over the web and twitter, and has at least two threads with live discussion on it.

Not satire as such, but abstract at the very least, or meta or whatever the term is. A play on the timing and attention it is getting, and a bit of an in-joke within a limited audience on BM. A joke on a joke.

Maybe some chuckle maybe they don't, but I'd hardly be worried about anyone thinking i actually mean the joke.

Does that context make that joke more palatable? It is still crass. But the point is completely different. If so, then there is a context where that joke isn't 'unacceptable'.

Good question tbf

Worth remembering that the joke thread isn't necessarily a place for offensive stuff (despite it's recent turn), so there would likely be a lot of folk who would be coming across a very offensive joke without context and in an unwelcome fashion. It would probably be reported and it'd disappear pretty quickly afterwards.

In fact a big thing people forget on these forums is that context isn't there for the majority.



Of course if you go to a Jimmy Carr show or watch his stuff on Netflix you ought to know what you're in for. But then again I wonder if I was attending but also somehow connected to the Travellers would I be entitled to be upset or should I just accept it?

 

[bluemc1]

Maybe ice cube and NWA will remove their music from Spotify in protest at Rogan using the 'n' word? I can barely keep up with the riteous outrage - good news for Jimmy Carr.

Yep he will be living this, raising his profile and making him more money, same with Rogan
They will be laughing their tits off at all these offences seekers

 

[Coatigan]

Good question tbf

Worth remembering that the joke thread isn't necessarily a place for offensive stuff (despite it's recent turn), so there would likely be a lot of folk who would be coming across a very offensive joke without context and in an unwelcome fashion. It would probably be reported and it'd disappear pretty quickly afterwards.

In fact a big thing people forget on these forums is that context isn't there for the majority.



Of course if you go to a Jimmy Carr show or watch his stuff on Netflix you ought to know what you're in for. But then again I wonder if I was attending but also somehow connected to the Travellers would I be entitled to be upset or should I just accept it?

Come to think of it shoulda just done it. And seen what happened.

A couple might have found it funny, and if I got cancelled for it, i dare say the mods would know enough not to hold it against me.

Ah well, bottled it loke AC Milan.

 

[Len Rum]

Too many snowflakes.The fuckers are everywhere.
You know what to expect from people like Jimmy Carr and if you are enraged then tough shite.He forwarned his audience what too expect anyway.

That's alright then.
So as regards comedy is any subject off limits for you?

 

[SWP's back]

Good question tbf

Worth remembering that the joke thread isn't necessarily a place for offensive stuff (despite it's recent turn), so there would likely be a lot of folk who would be coming across a very offensive joke without context and in an unwelcome fashion. It would probably be reported and it'd disappear pretty quickly afterwards.

In fact a big thing people forget on these forums is that context isn't there for the majority.



Of course if you go to a Jimmy Carr show or watch his stuff on Netflix you ought to know what you're in for. But then again I wonder if I was attending but also somehow connected to the Travellers would I be entitled to be upset or should I just accept it?

You should just accept it or turn off and not watch him again. He is an equal opportunity comic and takes the piss out of just about everyone.