Jo Swinson

Chippy_boy said:
He still hasn't, has he?

Have I missed it (genuine question)? I thought Labour's position on which side they will campaign in a referendum is "let's see how the polls are looking".

Man of principle??? It's the most hilarious lie on the entire forum.
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Fuck sake, how many times have I posted this

The party policy is obvious and has been since day one.

Labour respect the referendum and is commited to leave, bit unwilling to agree to a shite deal for jobs and security and won't countenance no deal.

If a new referendum is called labour will campaign for remain.

Was the stance at conference and hasn't changed.

Too many people choose to ignore what is a quite simple to follow policy.
 
urban genie said:
If a new referendum is called labour will campaign for remain.
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Really? Where have they said that?

"when asked if the party would stay neutral given a choice between a deal negotiated by Labour and remaining in the EU, Corbyn did not say which side the party would support."

That's Corbyn's position within the last month.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ferendum-is-between-its-brexit-deal-or-remain

Fence-sitting, spineless, opportunistic, principle-less turd of a man that he is.
 
urban genie said:
https://labour.org.uk/latest/stories/labour-demands-brexit-public-vote/

Just so it is clear @Chippy_boy all the Labour brexit info here in this link
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Clear?

CLEAR???

Good grief. Where does it say what his position is (or Labour's for that matter) on what they would campaign for in a referendum. It say's they'd back remain rather than a hard brexit or "a Tory deal which does not protect the economy and jobs", i.e. a fucking great big coach and horses get out clause.

Bottom line is he's saying that they might campaign one way or another, depending on how the wind blows.

It's weasel words from the arch weasel. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Chippy_boy said:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...pressure-jeremy-corbyn-sadiq-khan-says-labour

As of 2 days ago the twat was still sitting on the fence, so you can give over with your "how many times... " bollocks. Seems you've just been wrong a lot.
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Wtf has sadiq khans own personal opinion got to do with what has been labour policy, sent out to members in emails.and on it's own website for months.

I watched marr wjere khan said labour should be a pary of remain, the rest in that opinion piece is conjecture by the journalist.

Labours website has had the same brexit policy I wrote above and which has been clear for months if anyone wanted to actually bother listening to it rather than opting for sensationalist clickbait speculation.
 
urban genie said:
Wtf has sadiq khans own personal opinion got to do with what has been labour policy, sent out to members in emails.and on it's own website for months.
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Where? Please show me where there's a statement from Labour on whether they will campaign for remain or leave in a future referendum.

The party all want Labour to come out and say they'll campaign for remain, but the weasel won't do it.

Unless you have a link or quote saying otherwise? If you do, I will apologise. If you do not, you'll need to do some serious back-pedalling.
 
urban genie said:
Fuck sake, how many times have I posted this

The party policy is obvious and has been since day one.

Labour respect the referendum and is commited to leave, bit unwilling to agree to a shite deal for jobs and security and won't countenance no deal.

If a new referendum is called labour will campaign for remain.

Was the stance at conference and hasn't changed.

Too many people choose to ignore what is a quite simple to follow policy.
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Simple policy to follow in it's raw formula as you have listed but how many times has the order of that policy been chopped around by different factions in the shadow cabinet,plp, momentum and back benchers over the last year or so on our tv - you can't blame voters for not getting to grips with their very fluid positions on Brexit - I realise it's hard to respond to developments as they happen . Corbyn's a big part of the problem as he did not mobilise or motivate the labour remain vote during the referendum as it was clear to everyone his heart was still in the brexit camp and he opened the backdoor to it just by his sheer apathetic contribution to remain during the campaigning and now we are meant to believe he has had a Damascene conversion just before a G.E.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Where? Please show me where there's a statement from Labour on whether they will campaign for remain or leave in a future referendum.

The party all want Labour to come out and say they'll campaign for remain, but the weasel won't do it.

Unless you have a link or quote saying otherwise? If you do, I will apologise. If you do not, you'll need to do some serious back-pedalling.
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No I don't, I have told you the position, I have given you a li k to labours website, all the info is on ther, I don't have to prove or disprove anything.

I know what Labour positionis as is every member I know, you don't agree they have one, that's up to you, I really am not arsed wither way.

You choose your opinion and I will choose mine I feel no ill will for that or make demands, believe me or don't I respect either decision.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Simple policy to follow in it's raw formula as you have listed but how many times has the order of that policy been chopped around by different factions in the shadow cabinet,plp, momentum and back benchers over the last year or so on our tv - you can't blame voters for not getting to grips with their very fluid positions on Brexit - I realise it's hard to respond to developments as they happen . Corbyn's a big part of the problem as he did not mobilise or motivate the labour remain vote during the referendum as it was clear to everyone his heart was still in the brexit camp and he opened the backdoor to it just by his sheer apathetic contribution to remain during the campaigning and now we are meant to believe he has had a Damascene conversion just before a G.E.
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You know the policy is explained the same every time when asked and answered" we willl respect the referendum" the follow up question by interviewers to who ever mp they speak to is "how will you vote if another referendum" as soon as a labour member or MP says remain they are accused of having both opinions and having no clear policy, well the policy is two fold base do two scenarios

That is respect referendum result and leave with a deal or If it is put back to the peiple campain for remain in another referendum and many others of all partys have that stance including as was seen on saturday Morgan, and as do I.
I want us to get a deal and leave as leave won the vote, if another ref happens I will vote remain.

The **** that is Tom Watson os the one who keeps contradicting policy and making opposite statements to cause maximimum damange to the leadership.
 
urban genie said:
Fuck sake, how many times have I posted this

The party policy is obvious and has been since day one.

Labour respect the referendum and is commited to leave, bit unwilling to agree to a shite deal for jobs and security and won't countenance no deal.

If a new referendum is called labour will campaign for remain.

Was the stance at conference and hasn't changed.

Too many people choose to ignore what is a quite simple to follow policy.
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I thought I’d read somewhere that Labour MPs would be able to campaign for either side? As the Tories could in 2016 and Labour in 1976. So Corbyn could campaign to leave on his deal and McDonnell could campaign to remain?
 
urban genie said:
No I don't, I have told you the position, I have given you a li k to labours website, all the info is on ther, I don't have to prove or disprove anything.

I know what Labour positionis as is every member I know, you don't agree they have one, that's up to you, I really am not arsed wither way.

You choose your opinion and I will choose mine I feel no ill will for that or make demands, believe me or don't I respect either decision.
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It's a simple question mate: What is Labour's position regarding what they will campaign for in a referendum?

You've haven't "told me the position", because they don't have a position. Fence-sitting weasel that he is.
 
cibaman said:
I thought I’d read somewhere that Labour MPs would be able to campaign for either side? As the Tories could in 2015 and Labour in 1976. So Corbyn could campaign to leave on his deal and McDonnell could campaign to remain?
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Confused? You've every right to be.
 
cibaman said:
I thought I’d read somewhere that Labour MPs would be able to campaign for either side? As the Tories could in 2015 and Labour in 1976. So Corbyn could campaign to leave on his deal and McDonnell could campaign to remain?
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Anyone can campaign for either side, but party policy will be ramain, as per last time
 
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