Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Colin Bells Boots]

Didnt know Vicky Kloss been sacked

Prestwich Blue says she hasn't .

 

[waspish]

Prestwich Blue says she hasn't .

Ah right I thought it was weird and not heard anything also so her on the video when Pep arrived.

 

[cmcm0808]

If Pep doesn’t rate Hart or thinks he’s a bad apple then he’s got to be sold. Same goes for any other player. This group of players down tooled on both Mancini & Pellegrini, two managers who had completely different management techniques. That can’t be aloud to happen for a 3rd time.

 

[Len Rum]

But then so is keeping the ball out of our net, something Hart is far more capable of doing than Willie on the worst f*cking day he ever had, my point is this is the wrong way to go about things, if Pep thinks Hart is ignoring the way he wants him to play then sort it out in the dressing room or the managers office, not putting in a keeper who everyone knows is not a patch on the guy sat on the bench under the glare of the media an making him look a c*nt.

This will put Harts back up an lead to aggro when there are far more pressing problems, not least the simple fact we do not have a competent replacement (IMO) in Willie.

Willie is a competent back up keeper.
He does everything to a reasonable standard.
His distribution is better than Joe's and he can catch a ball.
Had Joe been the excellent 'traditional' keeper you seem to think he is, I think Pep would have prepared to cut him a bit more slack regarding his distribution.
However IMO I don't think Pep rates his 'traditional' goalkeeping skills as highly as some on here do and so isn't prepared to make the effort in working to improve that part of his game.

 

[Mike N]

I've been a fan of Hart's ever since he's been here. He's certainly won us more points that he has lost us. It does appear that he's not Pep's choice of keeper so it would be great if he could get a move as quickly as possible. Might be just what he needs in his own personal development. Still think he's the best English keeper and hope he manages to prove it in future. He'll get a great reception from the fans when he returns with another club.

 

[flb]

If Pep doesn’t rate Hart or thinks he’s a bad apple then he’s got to be sold. Same goes for any other player. This group of players down tooled on both Mancini & Pellegrini, two managers who had completely different management techniques. That can’t be aloud to happen for a 3rd time.

Thats the nail on the head mate, no coincidence either that Yaya and Nasri find themselves marginalised.

 

[andy h]

One wonders whether Joe thinks he is getting a fair chance to prove himself. From the outside it looks like Pep has already made his mind up about Joe's ability and whether he has the capacity to change to Pep's style.
Given Joe's service to the club he does deserve to be treated respectfully - what should not be allowed (if another keeper is being brought in and Joe being shipped out) is for the whole issue to turn toxic.

 

[inbetween]

Pep had the exact same issues with Ronaldinho, Yaya and Ibrahimovic at Barcelona after a time with a weak manager in Rijkaard. He wanted to build his team around Messi and none of them liked it and in Yaya's case he saw Busquets as the more natural player in his system. Putting a relatively unknown Messi into false 9 and removing a striker in Ibrahimovic was a big call. He didn't freeze them out though but told them that to play they would have to compete but they all felt they should be first starters.

I think Joe basically found out he wasn't going to be playing, kicked off and Pep has just made an example out of him. It wasn't a point of having the best goalkeeper playing but one who is only willing to do what he says.

I don't think it's a case of Hart being a bad keeper, Pep has obviously told him he won't start if he doesn't take on what he wants him to do and that clearly hasn't gone down well.

 

[mat]

I wonder if maureen is pondering a bid to take the piss?

 

[Pubteam Lomas]

Most people on here believe, like many experts, that Pep is tactically one of the best around.
Having played Bayern twice it's possible that he identified Hart's kicking as our weakness.
So on his arrival it looks as though Joe has failed to to convince him. In my opinion he didn't help himself in the friendly with Arsenal, when he went long with the first few kicks.
I love Joe Hart. He's an excellent keeper and has been the backbone of our rise.
However this is Guardiola at his most ruthless.
Apparently he realised, very quickly, that he wasn't the man in charge at Bayern when they told him they were selling Kroos rather than giving him a pay rise.
The fact Hart is a fan favourite as well as a being popular with the hierarchy, is irrelevant to a top manager.
As we know Guardiola gave in to his Bayern team in the champs league semi final against Real, when they lost 4-0. I don't think the manager will want history to repeat itself.
He has to believe the team on the pitch are his players, playing to his system, otherwise he's cheating himself and his employer.
I know very little about Bravo, but I wonder if the management team believe that Gunn has the potential to be the long term answer.