Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[Terra Passenger]

We have won the big one with Joe, twice. On top of that some of his CL performances have been utterly stunning

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Hart wasn't holding us back at all from winning everything in front of us.

Just the opposite - Hart propelled us to the successes we achieved.
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Don't know why the moderators decided to lump my "Will Joe Hart be With Us Next Season" thread into this mega thread... but whatever.
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The interesting thing for me... in spite of Joe's world-class performance this season - is whether or not Joe Hart will even be a member of our team next season.

Pep's teams have always featured a sweeper-keeper between the sticks -- Joe isn't up to this. Moreover, Barca have alienated Ter Stegen. As much as I like Joe, I think he'll be gone next season, perhaps in the Winter transfer window, and that Ter Stegen will be one of our first signings.

 

[mosssideblue]

Hart's distribution under Mancini was pretty awful. He invariably lumped it forward with generally poor results.

Under Pellers, Hart didn't seem to be under instruction to just lump it forward every time. Consequently, Hart's distribution went from god awful to way above average.

So yeah.... the punching thing could easily be misguided instruction from the coaching staff.

And in your mind, that made him world class this season?

He is a very very good keeper, but taking off the blue tints, he doesn't demonstrate everything needed to be considered WC. He is young enough still to develop those attributes, whether he can or not, time will tell.

 

[Terra Passenger]

And in your mind, that made him world class this season?

He is a very very good keeper, but taking off the blue tints, he doesn't demonstrate everything needed to be considered WC. He is young enough still to develop those attributes, whether he can or not, time will tell.

By world class I mean top 10 in the world. To be clear, I don't think he's top 5. But honestly.. in spite of some short-comings, for me he's top 10 in the world this year.

Can you name 10 keepers who were clearly better than Hart this season?

Once you move beyond say top 7, it's debatable.

Edit - In seasons past Joe has always been a good/great shot stopper. But either his consistency has been way off and/or his distribution has been bad. This year, Joe has put together a complete performance for me - great shot stopper, good distribution, good consistency, good leadership. It's this overall great/good performance that makes Joe world class this year, but not in years past (though he's always been very good).

 

[mosssideblue]

By world class I mean top 10 in the world. To be clear, I don't think he's top 5. But honestly.. in spite of some short-comings, for me he's top 10 in the world this year.

Can you name 10 keepers who were clearly better than Hart this season?

IMHO, Joe is only WC at shot stopping. Command of his box, Dealing with set pieces, punching instead of catching, distribution, comfortable on the ball are all areas for improvement. I suspect other that Neur, not many will excel at all of those attributes. I guess we just differ in interpretation of what WC means to us

 

[Terra Passenger]

IMHO, Joe is only WC at shot stopping. Command of his box, Dealing with set pieces, punching instead of catching, distribution, comfortable on the ball are all areas for improvement. I suspect other that Neur, not many will excel at all of those attributes. I guess we just differ in interpretation of what WC means to us

I'd take
Neuer
De Gea
Lloris
Courtois (injured, so not sure, and perhaps not a team player - doesn't seem to want to be in Chelseas's squad next year)
Cech (probably, but has very few years left)

in front of Hart... but beyond that... not sure. I don't watch all the leagues so I may be missing some top keepers. But for me, in spite of some limitations, Hart is in the mix for spots 6-10.

Hart is great at shot stopping - has good distribution (lately) and seems to be fired up for every game (motivating the team as best he can).

I agree that Joe isn't good with the ball at his feet. Which is why I don't think he'll be here next season under Pep.

 

[razman]

For me in his current form and how he has shown character and come back from being dropped, I would take only de gea and neuer ahead of him...

Feel lloris and courtois are a bit over rated.... Courtois will only get better though

 

[1961_vintage]

Will be interesting to see whether Joe's distribution improves when he has 10 players in front of him that actually move when he has the ball.

 

[OB1]

Hart is proven to be good enough to win domestic silverware and his UCL performances suggest he is not an impediment to winning that prize.

 

[Bluster]

it's also important that we have a (relatively) local player in the heart of the squad to anchor the club to the local community. Hopefully, we'll have plenty of home grown players in the future but for the time being we need Hart, especially as the longer serving players are coming to the end of their city careers.

 

[BlueAnorak]

We have won the big one with Joe, twice. On top of that some of his CL performances have been utterly stunning

That is exactly the word. Stunning!
In that last 3 seasons: Barca 4 times (the last time away was simply unbelievable with 10 great saves) and if Aguero had scored the pen at the Camp Nou the last 10 minutes would have been really, really interesting! PSG twice and Real Madrid twice this season (an average of 4 great saves a game).
His distribution is only seemed poor because NOBODY moves to get into space - it really is criminal that the full backs dont push up AND a centre mid doesn't drop back AND the centre halves split giving him many more options.