Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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sir baconface said:
Neil Cuntis with a piss-take in the Sun. Picture from the training session yesterday with Pep's speech bubble captioned "Can you kick it? No you can't". Headline: "What becomes of the broken Harted?" Big article.

Then a tiny article elsewhere on Schweinsteiger's situation.

No link as I saw it in the hard copy of the Sun - free with every purchase at our local Spar and even then struggling for circulation.
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That was the aricle I was referencing on the Press Conference thread - I got mine free in the One Stop.
 
simon23 said:
You clearly haven't read my other posts not the subject ( or just no noticed them as you put it!)

I support the decision to bring in bravo and if Joe cant adapt I support the selling of hart.

My response was due to the over eagerness of some fans to get rid of him (which i think is very disrespectful in its self considering how well Hart has done for us in the last 10 years) and also in response to some of the comments made on here about him not being that good (fans turning on players as soon as they have gone/are going)

I suggest before trying to give snappy throw away comments like the ones above (just accept it) you read the thread (or parts of it at least) before you respond to a comment...if you had you would have seen that I (and I will say it again for clarity) support both the purchase of Bravo and the selling of Hart by Pep.

Just wondering if people might feel a bit foolish if Joe did come out and either stay and improve (highly unlikely he will want to stay) to prove people wrong. If i was him thats what I would do.....but i understand why he wouldn't...after all he aint a city fan and he has his Engalnd career to think of.
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As most fans, Joe Hart will be modern Manchester City's foremost great. No doubt about it.

I understand you getting upset about fellow supporters making up their minds quickly. I also understand how it upsets you when someone says that Joe Hart is not good enough.

But I think I can give you my perspective about those things.
The moment Pep Guardiola was appointed, I as a City fan, realised that hart's place was under threat. As any City fan, I had avidly read up on the way Pep understands the game and how his teams play. I quickly saw that Hart will have to improve his distribution and how he uses his feet. As the season closed to an end, I saw Hart have some great performances and some average ones. I thanked him when he made that crucial save vs PSG. I praised him when he kept us in the game vs Real Madrid in the first leg. I also saw him let in some poor goals vs Southampton and Swansea. All during that period, I watched Joe to see if there was some improvement in his basic distribution and footwork. I saw none. It was the same. I don't know when it happened, but I wasn't in the least bit surprised at the news that City were searching for a new keeper. Somehow, I had already made up my mind that Joe was not going to start for City under Pep. You need to know that I did feel bad that Joe will have to make way. But I had felt bad about that fact way before his exit came to the attention of the general public. I had concluded my mourning long before the funeral, you see.

I see people feeling indignant about Joe not being given a year or so to improve his distribution. They think Joe will learn all those things under Pep's coaching.First of all, basic technique is not easily coachable to a guy who is almost 30. That is a well understood in the coaching world. Joe may undergo all the coaching sessions in the world, but his ability to pass will improve very marginally. It is more feasible to get a goalkeeper who has either already that skill set or to buy a young, mouldable player. Secondly, I think these people do not understand the dynamics of the dressing room and do not understand how the media work. Keeping Joe Hart, a proud and influential figure in the dressing room, as the Number 2 is unhealthy for the team dynamics. Keeping an English fan favourite is UNFAIR to the goalkeeper who is going to start in his place. The media will scrutinise every little detail about this already awkward situation. Furthermore, Pep Guardiola has come to Manchester City to prove his managerial worth to the world. He will NOT take any prisoners in his quest. Why should he? Isn't it fair that a manager who will most likely face the sack for his team's underperformance be given the freedom to shape the team he wants to take forward?

In all of this, not once have I doubted Joe Hart's quality as a goalkeeper. I only doubt his suitability to the new system we shall be playing under. There's a huge distinction.
 
hilts said:
Send him a good luck card

Joe "hero" Hart
City legend
England legend
1 My Way
CHESHIRE

Boots voucher is always a nice touch as well
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Don't think he needs any vouchers not short of a bob or two.if you're there tonight avoid booing the guy its very off putting for those watching on the telly.
 
Silva Is Magic said:
As most fans, Joe Hart will be modern Manchester City's foremost great. No doubt about it.

I understand you getting upset about fellow supporters making up their minds quickly. I also understand how it upsets you when someone says that Joe Hart is not good enough.

But I think I can give you my perspective about those things.
The moment Pep Guardiola was appointed, I as a City fan, realised that hart's place was under threat. As any City fan, I had avidly read up on the way Pep understands the game and how his teams play. I quickly saw that Hart will have to improve his distribution and how he uses his feet. As the season closed to an end, I saw Hart have some great performances and some average ones. I thanked him when he made that crucial save vs PSG. I praised him when he kept us in the game vs Real Madrid in the first leg. I also saw him let in some poor goals vs Southampton and Swansea. All during that period, I watched Joe to see if there was some improvement in his basic distribution and footwork. I saw none. It was the same. I don't know when it happened, but I wasn't in the least bit surprised at the news that City were searching for a new keeper. Somehow, I had already made up my mind that Joe was not going to start for City under Pep. You need to know that I did feel bad that Joe will have to make way. But I had felt bad about that fact way before his exit came to the attention of the general public. I had concluded my mourning long before the funeral, you see.

I see people feeling indignant about Joe not being given a year or so to improve his distribution. They think Joe will learn all those things under Pep's coaching.First of all, basic technique is not easily coachable to a guy who is almost 30. That is a well understood in the coaching world. Joe may undergo all the coaching sessions in the world, but his ability to pass will improve very marginally. It is more feasible to get a goalkeeper who has either already that skill set or to buy a young, mouldable player. Secondly, I think these people do not understand the dynamics of the dressing room and do not understand how the media work. Keeping Joe Hart, a proud and influential figure in the dressing room, as the Number 2 is unhealthy for the team dynamics. Keeping an English fan favourite is UNFAIR to the goalkeeper who is going to start in his place. The media will scrutinise every little detail about this already awkward situation. Furthermore, Pep Guardiola has come to Manchester City to prove his managerial worth to the world. He will NOT take any prisoners in his quest. Why should he? Isn't it fair that a manager who will most likely face the sack for his team's underperformance be given the freedom to shape the team he wants to take forward?

In all of this, not once have I doubted Joe Hart's quality as a goalkeeper. I only doubt his suitability to the new system we shall be playing under. There's a huge distinction.
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I completely agree with all of that.....

My comments were aimed at the less than respectful ones of some of our supposed" fans."

The only tiny bit i question is the bit about not being good engouh with his feet or not having the ability to be better...if you watch a lot of the training videos with hart just messing around shooting etc you can see that he is very good with his feet (or looks to be anyway - scoring goals etc - now i know that this is him just messing around at the end of trainmen sessions etc and in a real game situation it becomes a lot harder but I think the skill is probably one that is there and one that would be coachable.

This leads me to think that its a question of whether Joe wants to do it or not...if this is the case as I said its understandable why Joe might not want to wait a year to put it all into practise.....his England place is in danger (it is anyway but more so now) .

Like i said..if it was me Id hang around as I wouldn't give a stuff about England but I can understand he would (and many others would) think different

My only complaint would be that if Pep or the coaches are just saying no you won't be able to do that without giving him a chance - but that is obviously highly unlikely and would show a great deal of ignorance from a man who is completely the opposite of ignorant
 
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