Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

[aguero93:20]

Who would you suggest would be a good #2, understands Peps way and is available at short notice?

Victor Valdes

 

[Rolee]

Who would you suggest would be a good #2, understands Peps way and is available at short notice?
I personally think Willy is a lot better than you are making out, but I respect your opinion on him

Valdes was

 

[mosssideblue]

Victor Valdes

Does he want to come here? Thought he was looking for a #1 gig

 

[i kne albert davy]

Who would you suggest would be a good #2, understands Peps way and is available at short notice?
I personally think Willy is a lot better than you are making out, but I respect your opinion on him

Me I had no problem passing it 5 yard above that was always a bit of a struggle.

 

[inbetween]

again can you just notice i wasn't disagreeing with anything you said in your initial post.....they were merely questions to think about nothing more.

I would fully expect any coach of any quality to allow Hart the chance to improve...my thinking was more based on the lines of would Joe take that chance - again related to his potential position as Englands no.1 - i think that may be the reason that Joe will go as he needs to be the number one keeper now, not in a years time or possibly longer. Again this was not an attack on Pep or his coaches...i would fully expect any coach of quality to allow a player time to improve......

I think its a little unfair to judge joe on his stats from previous seasons regarding his kicking/passing as that was under different managers who didn't require him to do so. It was noticeable infact that hart at one point was definitely trying to mimic/take on the kicking style of Pepe Reine (Sp? the ex liverpool goalkeeper) who had a very low flat and quick kick as a means of distribution....it was something clearly that either Hart of possibly one of the managers asked him to do as it was such a noticeable change....

He has only played half a game under pep int he pre season and somebody somewhere has already put up the stats for that game and it was 11 passes 4 of which went long (2 which failed)...those stats to me don't show someone who isn't trying.....which again some people on here need to reign the necks in when coming up with comments like that Hart is deliberately ignoring instructions when the stats show that completely to be not true.

Again just for clarity, I support th decision to buy Bravo and the reasons by it

Id rather sell willy, keep hart as number 2, see if he can develop and if not then sell as we will still need a number two if we have bravo and sell hart as Cabellero isn't a great keeper at all....average distribution from peps standards (he has misplaced/miskicked one or two in every game - some of those putting the opposition right on in on goal) and his shot stopping and general handling are not confidence inducing!

I think you are missing a few things here which is maybe Hart does not want to improve on his kicking or do the things Pep wants, that is crucial. He may have better stats and be the best keeper in the world but if he undermines the boss then he has no place at the club. The exact same thing happened at Barcelona with Ibrahimovic who thought he should be playing every match but he wouldn't do what Pep told him to do, made problems and caused friction, Ibrahimovic scored a fair few goals but he still got rid of him.

I think Pep has told him he needs to improve certain things or he is either gone or not going to play, that obviously did not sit well. I think there is a not necessarily bad but an unhealthy element in the clubs core who think they should be playing no matter what. It was the same element who told us every week under Pellegrini that things would improve yet we lost and lost again yet they continue to play every week.

Something IS going on behind the scenes.

 

[mosssideblue]

Me I had no problem passing it 5 yard above that was always a bit of a struggle.

I can pass it 5 yards also, although I need a longer run up now :)

 

[mosssideblue]

I think you are missing a few things here which is maybe Hart does not want to improve on his kicking or do the things Pep wants, that is crucial. He may have better stats and be the best keeper in the world but if he undermines the boss then he has no place at the club. The exact same thing happened at Barcelona with Ibrahimovic who thought he should be playing every match but he wouldn't do what Pep told him to do, made problems and caused friction, Ibrahimovic scored a fair few goals but he still got rid of him.

I think Pep has told him he needs to improve certain things or he is either gone or not going to play, that obviously did not sit well. I think there is a not necessarily bad but an unhealthy element in the clubs core who think they should be playing no matter what. It was the same element who told us every week under Pellegrini that things would improve yet we lost and lost again yet they continue to play every week.

Something IS going on behind the scenes.

Totally agree with you. Pep has come in, shaken the tree and some fallout will happen. Suspect it won't stop with Joe

 

[dave_blue12]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Joe Hart.

Thanks for everything Joe but there isn't a place for you in the Managers plans and so be a good lad and get your agent to sort out another club and move on. If you didn't know already, which I think you do, this is the nature of professional sport.

 

[hilts]

We would be fucking idiots to sell to Liverpool. If we did, we can kiss any chance of trying to finally claim 3 points at Anfield again because he would play a fucking blinder against us no doubt.

Think of all the possession he would give us though

 

[blueinsa]

Anyone else sick of hearing about Joe Hart.

Thanks for everything Joe but there isn't a place for you in the Managers plans and so be a good lad and get your agent to sort out another club and move on. If you didn't know already, which I think you do, this is the nature of professional sport.

A tad harsh but to the point and i agree.