Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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01cravend said:
If Willy starts tomorrow then it's Pep signalling to the board that he wants a new keeper. Hounding out a legend
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If Joe stepped up and played the way Pep wants then he would be fine. Willy will play the way Pep wants and in my view will get the nod tomorrow. Pep has been crystal clear that he will only play those who accept his way of playing. You are either on board or you are out.
 
Bluemoon115 said:
Not that I think misplacing 10 ft passes is in any way better (Looking at Willy here). But I can see why Pepe has his doubts.
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Yeah. Pep has a choice between a keeper who will try and do want Pep wants (albeit not especially well) or a keeper who will not try but hoof it instead. Not great choices but Pep values those that try above those that don't.
 
Bluemoon115 said:
Or maybe just not hoof it into touch when there's no pressure on him.
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What is he supposed to do?..His options under Pellegrini's tactics were kick it to our right/left back as they pushed forward in the hope they'd win a flick on or kick it up toward our 5'7 forwards. No one ever came and showed for the ball?
 
Bluemoon115 said:
If he doesn't start I'll present MotD in my underpants.
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Assuming the rumours are true, I'd understand it more if Caballero's distribution had been good in pre-season, but let's be frank - it's been fucking awful and has nearly cost us goals on more than one occasion.

Can only assume Guardiola was unhappy with Hart continuing to kick long (presumably against his instructions), or has just decided he's not going to be part of his plans. The latter fits in with something I heard earlier in the summer.

Could all be nonsense of course, guess we'll have a better idea tomorrow afternoon.
 
Ric said:
Some reports emerging that Hart will be dropped tomorrow. Hope not.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one boss. I think it has to happen for his system to be implemented and based on that is the correct decision.

After the discussion a few of us had on here Wednesday gone, I've sat and really thought about it. I watched the 2nd half of the Arsenal game again as well.

I think the long kicking in that game was absolutely deliberate from Joe. I got the impression that was a bit of a fuck you. I'm not sure if I'm reading into this too much, but I think Joe could well have been aware he was under the cosh a fair while back and may account for his pretty shit effort at the euros.

I'd be amazed if he starts tomorrow
 
It's tough because most of us love Hart, like we love Zab, Kompany, Silva and I think it's tough to think that one of the main characters might not be there soon. FWIW I love Joe Hart but I do wonder whether he thinks he's better having to change his game.
But........why would Pep tell the press who his goalie is tomorrow??
 
Ric said:
Assuming the rumours are true, I'd understand it more if Caballero's distribution had been good in pre-season, but let's be frank - it's been fucking awful and has nearly cost us goals on more than one occasion.

Can only assume Guardiola was unhappy with Hart continuing to kick long (presumably against his instructions), or has just decided he's not going to be part of his plans. The latter fits in with something I heard earlier in the summer.

Could all be nonsense of course, guess we'll have a better idea tomorrow afternoon.
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Exactly.

Both have crap distribution, but Hart has better traditional goalkeeping skills, which should make him a shoe in.

I'll trust Pep knows what he's doing though... (I doubted Pepe in the cup final, and Cabalerro proved us ALL wrong...)
 
nottsco2-0 said:
It's tough because most of us love Hart, like we love Zab, Kompany, Silva and I think it's tough to think that one of the main characters might not be there soon. FWIW I love Joe Hart but I do wonder whether he thinks he's better having to change his game.
But........why would Pep tell the press who his goalie is tomorrow??
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He wouldn't tell the press, but they normally tell the players at least the day before, and disgruntled players often leak things to the press.
 
Proy said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one boss. I think it has to happen for his system to be implemented and based on that is the correct decision.

After the discussion a few of us had on here Wednesday gone, I've sat and really thought about it. I watched the 2nd half of the Arsenal game again as well.

I think the long kicking in that game was absolutely deliberate from Joe. I got the impression that was a bit of a fuck you. I'm not sure if I'm reading into this too much, but I think Joe could well have been aware he was under the cosh a fair while back and may account for his pretty shit effort at the euros.

I'd be amazed if he starts tomorrow
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You may well be right. I think Hart knows his days are numbered.
 
Proy said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one boss. I think it has to happen for his system to be implemented and based on that is the correct decision.

After the discussion a few of us had on here Wednesday gone, I've sat and really thought about it. I watched the 2nd half of the Arsenal game again as well.

I think the long kicking in that game was absolutely deliberate from Joe. I got the impression that was a bit of a fuck you. I'm not sure if I'm reading into this too much, but I think Joe could well have been aware he was under the cosh a fair while back and may account for his pretty shit effort at the euros.

I'd be amazed if he starts tomorrow
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To be honest it did cross my mind it was bit of a fuck you from Joe but I can't really believe he would be that stupid. Equally I was surprised he hardly tried to do what Pep wanted either.
 
Ric said:
Assuming the rumours are true, I'd understand it more if Caballero's distribution had been good in pre-season, but let's be frank - it's been fucking awful and has nearly cost us goals on more than one occasion.

Can only assume Guardiola was unhappy with Hart continuing to kick long (presumably against his instructions), or has just decided he's not going to be part of his plans. The latter fits in with something I heard earlier in the summer.

Could all be nonsense of course, guess we'll have a better idea tomorrow afternoon.
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Joyce is the go to guy for Everton news isn't he?

The article he's written is That Everton are interested so I assume that's how he knows what's going on.
 
Bluemoon115 said:
He wouldn't tell the press, but they normally tell the players at least the day before, and disgruntled players often leak things to the press.
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That rings true - we have known plenty of time in advance every time Hart has been dropped
 
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