Joe Hart (joined Torino on season long loan - Official)

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razman said:
I am pretty sure the whole reason he is going to Serie A is to improve himself... Has a good chance of doing that there than the MLS
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Improve himself how exactly? They don't have coach that plays the Pep way do they? I suppose the season is almost over there I wasn't quite sure when it finished to be honest.
 
The Richard Wright Fan Club said:
Have we as City fans overrated Hart? until last season I thought he was the second best goalkeeper in planet Earth.

I thought far bigger clubs than Torino and Sunderland would come in for Charles.
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Hart is in that top 10-20 range. Nowhere near Manu Neuer or Gigi Buffon. It gets a little murky after that depending on who you ask, but I think DDG is comfortably third best. Courtois and Cech probably round out the top 5. Then you've just got a bunch of guys who are all very close to one another -- needless to say, Hart has never been near #2 in the world but he's one of the best. A lot of other teams probably saw him as an upgrade but the timing for the move was not good.
 
abellwillring said:
The structure of the league won't allow this. MLS teams have to pay the entire salary of a player on loan. With NYC having 3 designated players, there's no scenario they could take him anyway. MLS allows you to lower the salary cap hit of one player to bring them below the Designated Player barrier but that is being taken by Mix Diskerud (US National team player) and the player's salary needs to be around $1m at most whereas Joe's would be somewhere around $8.5m.
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Ah fair enough is that $8.5m with us paying most of his wages?
 
The Richard Wright Fan Club said:
Have we as City fans overrated Hart? until last season I thought he was the second best goalkeeper in planet Earth.

I thought far bigger clubs than Torino and Sunderland would come in for Charles.
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I was questioning the same after this debacle. I felt the same about Hart during the 11/12 season but there is no doubt he dropped off after that. I used to be took back by how well he could pick out an accurate long-range pass up-field, then when Pellers came in he started kicking it out of touch every time and certainly no where near no.2 in world football.

Even back in 11/12 or 12/13 when Joe was on world class form rags were exclaiming DeGea was no.2 in the world and still fervently do, even many other football fans and some City fans too. DeGea when he first came, flapped at absolutely everything in-front of him and was terrible. He's obviously come on a lot after taking time to settle in over there but still, he's not as good as Courtois was at Atletico. I don't see the ability one on one ability in DeGea that is probably Joe's greatest strength (has always continently pulled us out the shit over his City career), obviously a big strength of Neuer too. He can be a great shot stopper reaching for shots going into the corner etc. but not any more so than Hart. In recent years Hart has been weak getting caught out with low shots to the corner though. I think he's just not kept up to the high standards he set himself a few years ago.
 
Machiavelli said:
Aren't you from hell yeah America?
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Nope. Seems like some people rate their perception and general knowledge of the game far too highly. Probably some sad sack sulking for the fun I had in the Sterling thread at last years armchair experts' expense. (His post not yours)
 
Metalartin said:
Ah fair enough is that $8.5m with us paying most of his wages?
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His salary right now is around $8.5m annually. If NYC took him on loan, they'd need to pay the full amount because MLS requires teams to do this to avoid getting around the salary cap that is in place. NYC could do this if they had a Designated Player spot open, but they don't at the moment. There are a few other issues though related to the fact their transfer window is closed and as someone else mentioned, their season ends fairly soon (about 8 games left then the playoffs which NYC are currently slated to qualify for).
 
abellwillring said:
His salary right now is around $8.5m annually. If NYC took him on loan, they'd need to pay the full amount because MLS requires teams to do this to avoid getting around the salary cap that is in place. NYC could do this if they had a Designated Player spot open, but they don't at the moment. There are a few other issues though related to the fact their transfer window is closed and as someone else mentioned, their season ends fairly soon (about 8 games left then the playoffs which NYC are currently slated to qualify for).
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Ah ok seems like a no go either way, in theory NYC under Paddy seemed like a good match for Joe but it's not to be.
 
Has Celtic not been a loan option? Win the SPL, good chance at the Scottish cup, big home crowd/experience, CL football...
 
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