Joe Hart [Merged]

[AdamManCity]

Re: Joe Hart

Joe shouldn't have had to make the save in the first place imo

this.

i won't say this very often, but it was de jong's fault.

This really frustrates me, yes we made other mistakes in the build up to their goal but that doesn't mean we should just forget about what hart did wrong, as it happens tho I don't think he could do much else as the shot was hit so quickly with so much power.

 

[Scooby Blue]

Re: Joe Hart

This thread is ridiculous.

Every time you concede, there's always something you could have done differently.

But if you'd done that differently, who's to say the attacker wouldn't have done it differently. And then you're back to square one.

Neville Southall and Schmeichel both used to make loads of saves just by flinging themselves in a star towards the ball. Cech does a similar thing. Their increased size makes the attacker shit himself and hit the ball straight at the keeper. Joe's also pretty good at this, case in point Agbonlahor on Saturday.

Not sure the thread is ridiculous.

What is "ridiculous" is the way the Bluemoon forum tries to shut down anything that resembles criticism of certain players ( Hart / De Jong) but positively lathers itself into a frenzy over putting the boot into others (Kolarov / Dzeko etc)

Hart is England's No 1 choice keeper.
Successive City managers have identified him as our No 1 Keeper.
He is clearly a very good keeper.

However....
- his complacency when kicking was always an accident waiting to happen (slightly better this season)
- a couple of CL goals conceeded this season might not have happened if he had been able to parry the ball away from goal rather than into the path of the attacker.

I'm not saying we should sign another keeper, but don't trash the posters pointing out what we can all see with our own eyes...
i.e. that Joe still has areas where he can improve his game.

 

[Kun>Messi]

Re: Joe Hart

I would rather have Hart in my goal than De Gea or any other Keeper in the league. A gem!

 

[nomorethaksintimes]

Re: Joe Hart

I would rather have Hart in my goal than De Gea or any other Keeper in the league. A gem!

That username is a pisstake right?

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Joe Hart

Joe shouldn't have had to make the save in the first place imo

this.

i won't say this very often, but it was de jong's fault.

This really frustrates me, yes we made other mistakes in the build up to their goal but that doesn't mean we should just forget about what hart did wrong, as it happens tho I don't think he could do much else as the shot was hit so quickly with so much power.

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

 

[AdamManCity]

Re: Joe Hart

this.

i won't say this very often, but it was de jong's fault.

This really frustrates me, yes we made other mistakes in the build up to their goal but that doesn't mean we should just forget about what hart did wrong, as it happens tho I don't think he could do much else as the shot was hit so quickly with so much power.

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

No I don't at all I'm making the point that just because there were other mistakes in the build up to their goal that shouldn't stop us looking at what hart did wrong rather than just saying oh silva and de Jong made the mistake so whatever joe does after those mistakes is irrelevant it's their fault! However looking at harts save I don't think he could do much else, I think you'll realise I wasn't contradicting myself in that statement

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Re: Joe Hart

This really frustrates me, yes we made other mistakes in the build up to their goal but that doesn't mean we should just forget about what hart did wrong, as it happens tho I don't think he could do much else as the shot was hit so quickly with so much power.

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

No I don't at all I'm making the point that just because there were other mistakes in the build up to their goal that shouldn't stop us looking at what hart did wrong rather than just saying oh silva and de Jong made the mistake so whatever joe does after those mistakes is irrelevant it's their fault!

-- Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:10 am --

This really frustrates me, yes we made other mistakes in the build up to their goal but that doesn't mean we should just forget about what hart did wrong, as it happens tho I don't think he could do much else as the shot was hit so quickly with so much power.

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

No I don't at all I'm making the point that just because there were other mistakes in the build up to their goal that shouldn't stop us looking at what hart did wrong rather than just saying oh silva and de Jong made the mistake so whatever joe does after those mistakes is irrelevant it's their fault!

To be fair, you did contradict yourself. You said he did something wrong and then said he couldn't do much else with the shot.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Joe Hart

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

No I don't at all I'm making the point that just because there were other mistakes in the build up to their goal that shouldn't stop us looking at what hart did wrong rather than just saying oh silva and de Jong made the mistake so whatever joe does after those mistakes is irrelevant it's their fault!

-- Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:10 am --

So you contradict your own post in the space of 4 words

No I don't at all I'm making the point that just because there were other mistakes in the build up to their goal that shouldn't stop us looking at what hart did wrong rather than just saying oh silva and de Jong made the mistake so whatever joe does after those mistakes is irrelevant it's their fault!

To be fair, you did contradict yourself. You said he did something wrong and then said he couldn't do much else with the shot.

Thank you

 

[the blue panther]

Re: Joe Hart

When the team make mistakes, that's when Joe's needed. If he doesn't save when called upon, by stopping the danger completely, he can be regarded at fault - and I do regard him at fault against Villareal for doing the same mistake again that he did twice in Munich. 3 goals from bad parries; he has to stop them somehow.
I wonder why keepers don't make more of an effort to catch/gather the ball - he got down well to that shot on Tuesday night. Yes it was travelling quickly, but - while i haven't watched it again before typing this - didn't he get both hands down to it? If he doesn't have the momentum in his dive to help push/punch the ball away, he should try holding the fuckin' thing! Especially if he's got down to it with both hands. He's got hands like buckets and non-slip gloves for Christ's sake!
Still an absolutely top goalie tho, but that doesn't exempt him from criticism, and he'll be looking at those goals, I'm sure. Personally, I wouldn't wouldn't swap him for anyone else in the premier league. Reina gets pretty rave reviews but he's also error prone under pressure.

 

[Longsight-memories]

Re: Joe Hart

This thread is ridiculous.

Every time you concede, there's always something you could have done differently.

But if you'd done that differently, who's to say the attacker wouldn't have done it differently. And then you're back to square one.

Neville Southall and Schmeichel both used to make loads of saves just by flinging themselves in a star towards the ball. Cech does a similar thing. Their increased size makes the attacker shit himself and hit the ball straight at the keeper. Joe's also pretty good at this, case in point Agbonlahor on Saturday.

Not sure the thread is ridiculous.

What is "ridiculous" is the way the Bluemoon forum tries to shut down anything that resembles criticism of certain players ( Hart / De Jong) but positively lathers itself into a frenzy over putting the boot into others (Kolarov / Dzeko etc)

Hart is England's No 1 choice keeper.
Successive City managers have identified him as our No 1 Keeper.
He is clearly a very good keeper.

However....
- his complacency when kicking was always an accident waiting to happen (slightly better this season)
- a couple of CL goals conceeded this season might not have happened if he had been able to parry the ball away from goal rather than into the path of the attacker.

I'm not saying we should sign another keeper, but don't trash the posters pointing out what we can all see with our own eyes...
i.e. that Joe still has areas where he can improve his game.

Same type of goal against us as the first goal against munich.. you think he would learn.

But why did not put the ball out to the left instad of pass it back?

 

[Santiago Street]

Re: Joe Hart

Some people have said he did well to get his hands on the ball at all for the Villareal goal and Bayern's 1st.

Without getting too technical surely the ball is in contact with more of the surface area of your hand if you parry it out in front of you than if you parry it to the side ?

Akin to a batsman hitting a straight drive back over the bowlers head with the full face of the bat rather than tickling one down to third man with an angled bat.

Therefore having got his hands to the ball he should've been capable of pushing it to the side. No ?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Joe Hart

Some people have said he did well to get his hands on the ball at all for the Villareal goal and Bayern's 1st.

Without getting too technical surely the ball is in contact with more of the surface area of your hand if you parry it out in front of you than if you parry it to the side ?

Akin to a batsman hitting a straight drive back over the bowlers head with the full face of the bat rather than tickling one down to third man with an angled bat.

Therefore having got his hands to the ball he should've been capable of pushing it to the side. No ?

Yes but so what? Do you honestly think that Mancini and the goal keeping coach don't notice Joe's little foibles?
He's very young and not the finished article but he was chosen ahead of Shay because it was widely recognised that he had the potential to develop and become as good as or probably better than Shay for many years to come.
We've yet to see the best of him so no point in being pissed off by his 'punt into the crowd' distribution and his parrying the ball without killing it routine.
Just got to accept, as do all with an interest, that he's still developing and this is what we get. Chill out, it'll get better.

 

[Bluekiwi]

Re: Joe Hart

At fault again for the goal tonight.

He's clearly the best at the club and one of the best in the league and he's only a kid so he should improve.

Let's just hope it's a little blip because if he's still parrying shots back out into the 6 yard box in 6 months time, it'll be time to start looking elsewhere for a custodian

Who'd be a goalie?
Make a mistake and the knives are out.
How many clean sheets did he have last year" How many so far this year?
Lay off the guy, he will learn from the odd mistake.

 

[collie40]

Re: Joe Hart

Maybe u need to look a bit closer, the last 3 goals scored against us in the CL would all of been scored about 1.5 seconds earlier if not been for Joe! I admit as any GK will tell u, hold it or get it out of the danger zone, but as far as i saw he stopped all the goalbound shots but was let down by the reactions of his defenders!

 

[bluecroi]

Re: Joe Hart

Why is it that people always seem to hold back when it comes to criticizing this player?

I mean it seems that some people will blame his mistakes on every other player on the team before they will Hart.

He's a top keeper, but he's made mistakes (like everyone else), I can't see why he shouldn't be answerable to them like every other player.

He's made mistakes this season, a few of them, why ignore that?
You can blame a defender for their mistake, but he only accountable for his own actions, not Hart's. Yes he's loads of potential that I'm excited to hopefully see, but the guy makes mistakes. Why are people so afraid to admit that?

 

[bennyboy]

Re: Joe Hart

Off course he should have done better.His main weakness seem to be with low shots,i have noticed sometimes he seems to be slow on his feet so he struggles to get into position to make the save.
As others have posted though i'm more than happy for Joe to be our No1.

 

[RandomJ]

Re: Joe Hart

Why is it that people always seem to hold back when it comes to criticizing this player?

I mean it seems that some people will blame his mistakes on every other player on the team before they will Hart.

He's a top keeper, but he's made mistakes (like everyone else), I can't see why he shouldn't be answerable to them like every other player.

He's made mistakes this season, a few of them, why ignore that?
You can blame a defender for their mistake, but he only accountable for his own actions, not Hart's. Yes he's loads of potential that I'm excited to hopefully see, but the guy makes mistakes. Why are people so afraid to admit that?

Because it's debatable that they were his errors. It's not like he let one go through his legs, he made good saves and was let down by his defenders (for the Bayern game anyway). He should have done better with the Villareal goal though.

 

[Blue Haze]

Re: Joe Hart

He really needs to stop parrying the ball in front of goal, that shit just got our captain sent off.

Daft decision by Kompany to be sure, but it should have never happened. Punch it with two fists, I don't give a shit, just don't sit the fucking ball in the box.

 

[kippax_blueboy]

Re: Joe Hart

We have won celebrate it.

Let Mancini sort any keeper issues out.

 

[TCIB]

Re: Joe Hart

Joe will rectify that, he is his own hardest critic. It must be hard to stay so foccused also, our defence is rock solid usually and he never has much to do.