joe hart

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Kippaxstreetheadache said:
Joe's problem is he made the grade at a young age and began to believe his own hype after receiving plaudits from every corner of the game. He allowed complacency, and I believe, arrogance to creep into his game.

Same thing happened with Micah after his breakthrough season under Sven, he was regarded as the best young English centre half in the country, with the versality to play fullback. He was receiving regular England call ups, Chelsea were rumoured to be after him. The only question mark seemed to be how would he grow as a player, which position would he make his own.

We all recall how he appeared to be regularly propping up in nightclubs surrounded by hangers on, making appearances in music videos - seemingly enjoying the limelight and lifestyle a little too much. He believed he had already made it, and the graft was no longer required. His form suffered terribly, he suffered from injuries and was subsequently mismanaged by Hughes, the England call ups dried up and his game and confidence were reduced to a shadow of what they once were.

It took him a couple of years to recover, and a lot of us had doubts that he would. But he ended speculation over his position and worked tirelessly on his game as a fullback. He got his head down, and with some guidance from Mancini became a reliable and consistent fullback.

He deserves a lot of credit for that.

Joe is in a similar, albeit not identical, place to the one Micah once was. The greatest similarities are the complacency and overconfidence/arrogance.

Joe is on a pedestal now, he has no direct competition at club level or international level. He's England's number one. He has gigs in advertising, everybody knows his name. He plays in the Champions League at a high profile club. He's made it.

He isn't the young lad with everything to prove, trying to fight off competition from Issakson and Kasper Schmeichel to play regularly at club level. Nor is he the promising young goalkeeper trying to impress enough to get an England call up. He is no longer the young goalkeeper trying to prove he deserves to start ahead of Shay Given, nor is he the same player that was once trying to dislodge the old guard at international level and establish himself as the undisputed number 1.

He has made it.

But now the foundations are wobbling, and they are of his own making. He must take responsibility for his game over the last 18 months. This not a recent development, it has only received wider public
acknowledgement recently, but make no mistake, his game has regressed.

How he addresses this period of his career will determine what kind of keeper he becomes. He could become a Paul Robinson figure, or he could overcome it all and remove all doubts about his credentials for years to come.

Personally, I have very real doubts. Then again, I once said the same about Micah.

Ultimately though, Micah has not lived up to his initial promise. As it stands, Joe is going the same way.

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oakiecokie said:
FredTilson said:
According to the Daily Fail, Pellegrini wants to sign Caballero. Might not be a bad move, would be content being number 2 and is a much better keeper than Panty's Lemon

I know its all speculative and we know that he`s looking for an other goalie,so what does that tell you about Pants,doesn`t Pelle trust him as a number two goalie ?
To be fair, when Joe was at his 2011-12 form, I guess no one bothered. Keepers rarely get injured and Pants was good enough for League Cup/FA Cup games. Now they are looking for a number two who can actually play and who can even be thrown in CL level matches if needed. I don't think anyone rates Pants at that level.

Something similar happened with the rags as well, didnt it? De Gea was quite error prone when he started there even though he was coming as the number 1 choice keeper from Atletico Madrid, they alternated him with Lindegaard until he fought and took his number 1 spot, maybe Hart can be motivated in a similar way.
 
ban-mcfc said:
RandomJ said:
ban-mcfc said:
harts capable of having great games but it's better to have an average keeper who doesn't let in howlers than somebody with world class ability that lets a clanger in every other week.

pantillimon hasn't put a foot wrong, he played very well in the fa cup last season, making some very good saves. whereas hart has had some great games like dortmund but has terrible concentration and fucks up at crucial times.

so for me i'd prefer pantillimon at this moment in time until january where i'd move in for someone else.

and that's not being a WUM, there are lots out there who agree with me.

You clearly didn't pay attention during the cup run. We played complete and utter dross teams almost the entire way to the final, he had about 3 shots on target all cup run to deal with and that's enough for you to push a long standing, experienced, mostly consistent keeper under the bus. Fucking knee jerk much? Put it this way if Pants is half as good as he is in your head then why is Hart still between the sticks? Even without the errors why isn't Pants our number 1? Because he's an average keeper who can only dream of getting to Harts level. Deal with it Hart is going nowhere.

he didn't make a single fucking mistake and made some crucial saves in the semi.

he deserved his shot in the final IMO.

how many mistakes does hart need to make before people wise up and realise?? anyway i think pellegrini will replace hart next summer.
Yeh pants was excellent against Chelsea ,especially the one where it looked like Mata was going round him,like Muller went round Joe.Joe's been poor for a long time now and i've been saying it for a long time and for some reason,some are only just seeing it.Pants deserves his chance ,any other position on the pitch would've been dropped ages ago .
 
Kippaxstreetheadache said:
Joe's problem is he made the grade at a young age and began to believe his own hype after receiving plaudits from every corner of the game. He allowed complacency, and I believe, arrogance to creep into his game.

Same thing happened with Micah after his breakthrough season under Sven, he was regarded as the best young English centre half in the country, with the versality to play fullback. He was receiving regular England call ups, Chelsea were rumoured to be after him. The only question mark seemed to be how would he grow as a player, which position would he make his own.

We all recall how he appeared to be regularly propping up in nightclubs surrounded by hangers on, making appearances in music videos - seemingly enjoying the limelight and lifestyle a little too much. He believed he had already made it, and the graft was no longer required. His form suffered terribly, he suffered from injuries and was subsequently mismanaged by Hughes, the England call ups dried up and his game and confidence were reduced to a shadow of what they once were.

It took him a couple of years to recover, and a lot of us had doubts that he would. But he ended speculation over his position and worked tirelessly on his game as a fullback. He got his head down, and with some guidance from Mancini became a reliable and consistent fullback.

He deserves a lot of credit for that.

Joe is in a similar, albeit not identical, place to the one Micah once was. The greatest similarities are the complacency and overconfidence/arrogance.

Joe is on a pedestal now, he has no direct competition at club level or international level. He's England's number one. He has gigs in advertising, everybody knows his name. He plays in the Champions League at a high profile club. He's made it.

He isn't the young lad with everything to prove, trying to fight off competition from Issakson and Kasper Schmeichel to play regularly at club level. Nor is he the promising young goalkeeper trying to impress enough to get an England call up. He is no longer the young goalkeeper trying to prove he deserves to start ahead of Shay Given, nor is he the same player that was once trying to dislodge the old guard at international level and establish himself as the undisputed number 1.

He has made it.

But now the foundations are wobbling, and they are of his own making. He must take responsibility for his game over the last 18 months. This not a recent development, it has only received wider public
acknowledgement recently, but make no mistake, his game has regressed.

How he addresses this period of his career will determine what kind of keeper he becomes. He could become a Paul Robinson figure, or he could overcome it all and remove all doubts about his credentials for years to come.

Personally, I have very real doubts. Then again, I once said the same about Micah.

Ultimately though, Micah has not lived up to his initial promise. As it stands, Joe is going the same way.

A really good post that. Both of Micah and Joe are so lucky to be at a club that has so much potential and will look after them through rough patches. This is the season to really work hard and help bring City success and stake a claim for a place in Englands team for the world cup.
 
Thenumber1blue said:
ban-mcfc said:
RandomJ said:
You clearly didn't pay attention during the cup run. We played complete and utter dross teams almost the entire way to the final, he had about 3 shots on target all cup run to deal with and that's enough for you to push a long standing, experienced, mostly consistent keeper under the bus. Fucking knee jerk much? Put it this way if Pants is half as good as he is in your head then why is Hart still between the sticks? Even without the errors why isn't Pants our number 1? Because he's an average keeper who can only dream of getting to Harts level. Deal with it Hart is going nowhere.

he didn't make a single fucking mistake and made some crucial saves in the semi.

he deserved his shot in the final IMO.

how many mistakes does hart need to make before people wise up and realise?? anyway i think pellegrini will replace hart next summer.
Yeh pants was excellent against Chelsea ,especially the one where it looked like Mata was going round him,like Muller went round Joe.Joe's been poor for a long time now and i've been saying it for a long time and for some reason,some are only just seeing it.Pants deserves his chance ,any other position on the pitch would've been dropped ages ago .

Joe did not have much chance in that situation. If he gets into Müller much more (there was no chance to get the ball) - it is foul, a penalty and a red card. Would not have helped the team...

The mistake of that goal was before. The ball Dante played to Müller is not something new - it happened often before. Even the positioning of Ribery and Robben were signs for a ball like this to him. Clichy is for sure not the first one that looked bad after a situation like this. But nobody of us can tell if that was a scene out of the video session before the match - if not it somehow excuses Clichy.
 
Thenumber1blue said:
ban-mcfc said:
RandomJ said:
You clearly didn't pay attention during the cup run. We played complete and utter dross teams almost the entire way to the final, he had about 3 shots on target all cup run to deal with and that's enough for you to push a long standing, experienced, mostly consistent keeper under the bus. Fucking knee jerk much? Put it this way if Pants is half as good as he is in your head then why is Hart still between the sticks? Even without the errors why isn't Pants our number 1? Because he's an average keeper who can only dream of getting to Harts level. Deal with it Hart is going nowhere.

he didn't make a single fucking mistake and made some crucial saves in the semi.

he deserved his shot in the final IMO.

how many mistakes does hart need to make before people wise up and realise?? anyway i think pellegrini will replace hart next summer.
Yeh pants was excellent against Chelsea ,especially the one where it looked like Mata was going round him,like Muller went round Joe.Joe's been poor for a long time now and i've been saying it for a long time and for some reason,some are only just seeing it.Pants deserves his chance ,any other position on the pitch would've been dropped ages ago .

yep fully agree.

hart getting beat at his near left is a worry and has always been an issue.
 
These people who say Joe believed all the hype...do they have any evidence? I know the Irish doggie-fiddler likes to peddle this theory.

Development doesn't always go in a straight line. Players can and do lose form for a year or two. It's not always a question of attitude.
 
sir baconface said:
These people who say Joe believed all the hype...do they have any evidence? I know the Irish doggie-fiddler likes to peddle this theory.

Development doesn't always go in a straight line. Players can and do lose form for a year or two. It's not always a question of attitude.

I'd also like to see this evidence. A lot of people on here are saying the same shit that he's "cocky" and "believed his own hype". Well I for one have never seen a single interview or heard from someone who met him where he has ever claimed to be the best keeper in the world or even in the league and every training report I've ever seen always mentions how hard he works. The cocky thing has come about because he likes to play the game with a smile on his face and have a laugh with the players and suddenly that = cocky after Roy fucking Keane deemed it so. Heaven forbid a young man doing his dream job actually enjoys himself on the pitch. He's a guy going through a rough patch of form like all players do in their careers but he gets attacked for enjoying his job. It's pathetic.
 
ban-mcfc said:
Thenumber1blue said:
ban-mcfc said:
he didn't make a single fucking mistake and made some crucial saves in the semi.

he deserved his shot in the final IMO.

how many mistakes does hart need to make before people wise up and realise?? anyway i think pellegrini will replace hart next summer.
Yeh pants was excellent against Chelsea ,especially the one where it looked like Mata was going round him,like Muller went round Joe.Joe's been poor for a long time now and i've been saying it for a long time and for some reason,some are only just seeing it.Pants deserves his chance ,any other position on the pitch would've been dropped ages ago .

yep fully agree.

hart getting beat at his near left is a worry and has always been an issue.

You`d be one of those who probably didn`t accept that QPR`s goalie was also to blame then,for our 3rd goal,having also been beaten at his near post by Sergio !!!
 
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