johnnytapia
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Joe Royle - has he been acknowledged enough?
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Mancity1980
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My issue with Royle was refusing to come and manage us earlier, before we had slipped down the league. I am convinced his style of management was right for us and the premier league then. When he did come he was right for us and the championship but not the EPL. Top flight football had changed and he hasn’t.
Rather than stay with his beloved Oldham he perhaps could have pushed us onto European qualification and ended our trophy drought a decade before than it was. As the game developed we would have moved him on for a more progressive man (Arsène Wenger???)
Don’t get me wrong I loved his tenure with us, but things could have much better.
I know, I am letting my imagination get the better of me and if my aunt had boll…etc. However success is as much about timing and circumstances as it is about talent and I am convinced that was a lost opportunity to avoid a lot of city heartache and enjoy city success in my youth! We could still have today’s success as well!
Rather than stay with his beloved Oldham he perhaps could have pushed us onto European qualification and ended our trophy drought a decade before than it was. As the game developed we would have moved him on for a more progressive man (Arsène Wenger???)
Don’t get me wrong I loved his tenure with us, but things could have much better.
I know, I am letting my imagination get the better of me and if my aunt had boll…etc. However success is as much about timing and circumstances as it is about talent and I am convinced that was a lost opportunity to avoid a lot of city heartache and enjoy city success in my youth! We could still have today’s success as well!
He's at Goodison basically every week. He clearly does have a stronger affiliation with them.not really
i bow to your greater knowledgeHe's at Goodison basically every week. He clearly does have a stronger affiliation with them.
He's at Goodison basically every week. He clearly does have a stronger affiliation with them.
I've seen him interviewed in the past and asked that question. He said that, while he has enormous affection for both City and Oldham, he ultimately regards Everton as his club. He does genuinely care deeply about City, though.
It was a shame that his departure was handled as it was. FWIW, I heard him speak at a fans' forum some time afterwards and he said he didn't have a problem with Bernstein. At that time, he reserved his anger for Dennis Tueart, with whom he was no longer on speaking terms.
Although he took us over when we were in the second tier and left us after relegation was confirmed back to it, we were a much stronger club on his departure. He left a squad that had been improved during our one-year PL tenure and, even though we couldn't stay up, the nucleus of the group of players he left was good enough to go straight back up under Kevin Keegan the next season. With the forthcoming move to the new stadium, that was vital to our future.
I had a particular liking for Joe because I thought he really 'got' our club and its fans. He seemed to have an instinctive understanding of what we were about and that made me warm to him.
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I honestly think that Royle and Bernstein were as crucial to where we are now as anyone since. We were fucking shit and had 50-odd full time 'pros' on the books - a patchwork of half-baked ideas from a succession of dire managers, like a budget version of the rags today. Muen devoted a full two page spread iirc devoted to pics/bios of the squad and there were some I'd never heard of. Joe and Bernstein shipped most of them out, got rid of kinky in the most painless way possible and saved us from oblivion. Joe got a load of cloggers in that we needed to climb back to the top division and it always makes me sad that he sort of hit his ceiling as a manager at that point. Love him as a bloke and it would've been great to see him take us further, but wasn't to be.
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Right mate.i bow to your greater knowledge
bluetonium
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Didn't we have something like 53 first team players when Joe was here? Seem to remember him talking about it soon after his appointment.
Signed some steel, made us a proper force again. Know little of the legal battles and we likely went up too soon, but after years of humiliation and at best mediocrity, joe and that team gave me so much happiness and pride.
Without him we wouldn't have been on the journey to become premier league regulars again, and attractive as an investment opportunity. Of course the club sailed perilously close to the wind even after promotions, supporting Keegan's vision, but you have to ask if Joe didn't take us up, would we have cut our cloth for the championship or risked it all again? Could have ended up in real trouble.
Signed some steel, made us a proper force again. Know little of the legal battles and we likely went up too soon, but after years of humiliation and at best mediocrity, joe and that team gave me so much happiness and pride.
Without him we wouldn't have been on the journey to become premier league regulars again, and attractive as an investment opportunity. Of course the club sailed perilously close to the wind even after promotions, supporting Keegan's vision, but you have to ask if Joe didn't take us up, would we have cut our cloth for the championship or risked it all again? Could have ended up in real trouble.
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I would genuinely love it if the club invited him back one day and presented him to us fans so we could show our appreciation.
I don’t consider it an exaggeration to state that in my view he saved us as a going concern.
As someone said earlier, no Joe, no keegan. No keegan, no etihad move. No etihad move, no takeover.
A gent and a scholar. One of our very finest managers who brought back pride and love in and for the club.
I don’t consider it an exaggeration to state that in my view he saved us as a going concern.
As someone said earlier, no Joe, no keegan. No keegan, no etihad move. No etihad move, no takeover.
A gent and a scholar. One of our very finest managers who brought back pride and love in and for the club.
Thx for the heads up about him suing us ( Joe Royle...spelt properly.) didn’t know. That does taint things , just like Yaya should have been a legend with a statue until his agent and some things he said himself tainted his image a bit.