John Stones

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jimharri said:
Apparently, according to that bastion of reliability known as twitter, we've more or less told Everton that £40m is our final offer, and to take it or leave it. It's on the Citywatch page.
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Wasn't that the final offer they rejected last week? Did Txiki just send Kenwright a text back saying 'are you sure?'
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I fear you are forgetting the very FFP rules that Everton were all too eager to domestically endorse. You have a 38000 capacity shed of a ground, your income levels are a country mile below those of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, and your spending levels and ability to attract top players will always be limited as a result, regardless of how much money your new owner has. We were lucky, we were the last ones over the drawbridge before the old Sky 4 teamed up with Platini, Milan, Munich & Co to try and nobble prospective future competitors. Meanwhile Everton went and joined the other turkeys voting for Christmas by agreeing to FFP in the Premier League. Sorry mate, but you ain't getting a snout in the trough - and by association, winning 'owt - anytime soon
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The nail's head just met the hammer.

Our Everton supporting friend is doing a lot of big talking and on point he's right. Everton are rightly holding out for a fee. Where he's wrong is in thinking that just because they have new owners this situation is any different to Lescott, Fellaini, etc. The situation remains that a bigger more recently successful club playing European football is after one of their players. They can't keep him. They will sell him. They will absolutely compromise on the price whether it's in the structure or in the total fee. That's what happens when you have a player who only wants to go to one club and you know that keeping him is not a solution for anyone.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I fear you are forgetting the very FFP rules that Everton were all too eager to domestically endorse. You have a 38000 capacity shed of a ground, your income levels are a country mile below those of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, and your spending levels and ability to attract top players will always be limited as a result, regardless of how much money your new owner has. We were lucky, we were the last ones over the drawbridge before the old Sky 4 teamed up with Platini, Milan, Munich & Co to try and nobble prospective future competitors. Meanwhile Everton went and joined the other turkeys voting for Christmas by agreeing to FFP in the Premier League. Sorry mate, but you ain't getting a snout in the trough - and by association, winning 'owt - anytime soon
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well said
 
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Genuine question.

Has the lad put in an official transfer request? - If not, and he's hanging on hoping for a loyalty bonus, then the deal is dead in the water, in my opinion
 
GeorgeHeslop'sTackle. said:
Genuine question.

Has the lad put in an official transfer request? - If not, and he's hanging on hoping for a loyalty bonus, then the deal is dead in the water, in my opinion
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He won't be worrying about a loyalty bonus when he'll be signing the whopping contract we've got on the table.

Oh, and yes, he's asked for a transfer.
 
GeorgeHeslop'sTackle. said:
Genuine question.

Has the lad put in an official transfer request? - If not, and he's hanging on hoping for a loyalty bonus, then the deal is dead in the water, in my opinion
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I actually think this is what's holding this all up. Everton are playing chicken with him over a loyalty payment. If he'd sense he'd forgo it to be in pre-season with us a quick as possible.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
I fear you are forgetting the very FFP rules that Everton were all too eager to domestically endorse. You have a 38000 capacity shed of a ground, your income levels are a country mile below those of United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool, and your spending levels and ability to attract top players will always be limited as a result, regardless of how much money your new owner has. We were lucky, we were the last ones over the drawbridge before the old Sky 4 teamed up with Platini, Milan, Munich & Co to try and nobble prospective future competitors. Meanwhile Everton went and joined the other turkeys voting for Christmas by agreeing to FFP in the Premier League. Sorry mate, but you ain't getting a snout in the trough - and by association, winning 'owt - anytime soon
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To borrow from one of your favourite bands (Aerosmith): night in the ruts.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I actually think this is what's holding this all up. Everton are playing chicken with him over a loyalty payment. If he'd sense he'd forgo it to be in pre-season with us a quick as possible.
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My thoughts too mate, I know a lot of media outlets are reporting that he's told Everton he wants out, but, as yet, nowhere have I seen a report saying he has said so officially.
 
mosssideblue said:
So what your saying is that if they still wanted him, then there is competition. Can you confirm the rags and chavs still want him but backed off because of Pep.
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Isn't that common sense?

If more teams are interested in a player then the more competition there is for the signature. Hence a bidding war which would make the price rise.

All I'm saying is that at the start of the summer it was reported that a number of clubs were interested in Stones. Chelsea and Mourinho both wanted him the previous season and are/were looking at CBs.

However, it seems that Stones wants to come to City. If he's dead set on the deal then he will have already agreed personal terms.

On top of that, Mourinho and Chelsea have both looked elsewhere for CBs.

There could be a number of reasons why Chelsea and United haven't followed up their interest in Stones. Maybe they don't value him at what Everton want, or maybe they want better alternatives.

All i'm saying is that for one reason or another we are the only team currently in the running for Stones and Txiki has previous for turning our future signings head away from any competition.

It happened with Pep and Sterling.
 
daztrueblue91 said:
Isn't that common sense?

If more teams are interested in a player then the more competition there is for the signature. Hence a bidding war which would make the price rise.

All I'm saying is that at the start of the summer it was reported that a number of clubs were interested in Stones. Chelsea and Mourinho both wanted him the previous season and are/were looking at CBs.

However, it seems that Stones wants to come to City. If he's dead set on the deal then he will have already agreed personal terms.

On top of that, Mourinho and Chelsea have both looked elsewhere for CBs.

There could be a number of reasons why Chelsea and United haven't followed up their interest in Stones. Maybe they don't value him at what Everton want, or maybe they want better alternatives.

All i'm saying is that for one reason or another we are the only team currently in the running for Stones and Txiki has previous for turning our future signings head away from any competition.

It happened with Pep and Sterling.
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Of course it is common sense, but you said that there was competitionand as a result of Pep, we are sole bidders. I asked you to confirm this as I wasnt aware of any competition , and you havent
 
mosssideblue said:
Of course it is common sense, but you said that there was competitionand as a result of Pep, we are sole bidders. I asked you to confirm this as I wasnt aware of any competition , and you havent
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I didn't mention Pep.

I said there was no other competition because Txiki has already turned his head and Stones wants to join us.

Therefore, there is no point in other clubs getting involved and losing out.

Are you saying that there were no other clubs interested in Stones?
 
daztrueblue91 said:
I didn't mention Pep.

I said there was no other competition because Txiki has already turned his head and Stones wants to join us.

Therefore, there is no point in other clubs getting involved and losing out.

Are you saying that there were no other clubs interested in Stones?
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It was you who said we had got rid of the competition. My query was, was there any competition in the first place?
 
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