Jonny Evans

[Neville Kneville]

you wouldnt have thought pep would sign evans either. you need squad players like the two mentioned imo.

Should we be signing squad players though ?

Or should the squad players be the ones who are already here & the signings be quality to replace squad players who leave ?

For instance right now, to me, alongside Mangala etc, Bernardo Silva & Gundogan are 'squad players'. Both could turn out mainstays of the club, but if they don't, after a reasonable time, sell them & replace with more quality 'squad players' & see if they force their way in.

JFE's position imo should be Maguire or somebody like that, see if they become good enough to be a first choice, if not, sell.

Not a dead signing like JFE, who has to raise his game 2 levels to succeed here or is basically Danny Mills if it doesn't work.

 

[cleavers]

I’m not particularly enamoured with this move, assuming it goes ahead, but as a fourth choice centre-half it’s a fairly pragmatic, if uninspiring, signing.

The thing I dislike more than anything about the move, is the fact that he is effectively willing to come here to be fourth choice, when he's a first team regular elsewhere.

 

[MarsLlama]

The thing I dislike more than anything about the move, is the fact that he is effectively willing to come here to be fourth choice, when he's a first team regular elsewhere.

In fairness, that 'elsewhere' will probably be playing in the Championship next season now that they've hired Pardew.

 

[bobmcfc]

The thing I dislike more than anything about the move, is the fact that he is effectively willing to come here to be fourth choice, when he's a first team regular elsewhere.

More money and less travel time I mean his wife doesn’t work in Manchester but I guess it’s closer for him

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Should we be signing squad players though ?

Or should the squad players be the ones who are already here & the signings be quality to replace squad players who leave ?

For instance right now, to me, alongside Mangala etc, Bernardo Silva & Gundogan are 'squad players'. Both could turn out mainstays of the club, but if they don't, after a reasonable time, sell them & replace with more quality 'squad players' & see if they force their way in.

JFE's position imo should be Maguire or somebody like that, see if they become good enough to be a first choice, if not, sell.

Not a dead signing like JFE, who has to raise his game 2 levels to succeed here or is basically Danny Mills if it doesn't work.

yea i think we should. you can't just sign first team players all the time. id take maguire, but he'd cost 50m and he wouldn't be coming here as 4th choice/ wouldnt be happy being a bench player. pep clearly doesn't rate mangala and wants him replaced. in evans you get a proven winner, lots of experience and someone pep rates.

bloody hell i know you don't rate him, but no one is as bad as danny fucking mills. he was awful. some bad memories brought back up there haha

 

[cleavers]

In fairness, that 'elsewhere' will probably be playing in the Championship next season now that they've hired Pardew.

It might be, but letting Evans go isn't going to help their situation, though I fancy they'll scrape out of it with Pardew.

 

[Ric]

The thing I dislike more than anything about the move, is the fact that he is effectively willing to come here to be fourth choice, when he's a first team regular elsewhere.

That’s a bit unfair. Who, at that stage of their career, wouldn’t swap a relegation side for the best side in the country, managed by probably the best coach in the world? Especially if their club were happy to sanction the deal.

 

[bobmcfc]

That’s a bit unfair. Who, at that stage of their career, wouldn’t swap a relegation side for the best side in the country, managed by probably the best coach in the world? Especially if their club were happy to sanction the deal.

Is he going to state publicly that we’re the best team in England and he’s always dreamed of playing for us ;-).

I might come around abit

 

[r.soleofsalford]

In fairness, that 'elsewhere' will probably be playing in the Championship next season now that they've hired Pardew.

That’s a bit unfair. Who, at that stage of their career, wouldn’t swap a relegation side for the best side in the country, managed by probably the best coach in the world? Especially if their club were happy to sanction the deal.

Or which 30 year old player of a team fighting relegation would get offered a possible chance to play in the best team in the Premier Leagues 1st eleven

 

[cleavers]

That’s a bit unfair. Who, at that stage of their career, wouldn’t swap a relegation side for the best side in the country, managed by probably the best coach in the world? Especially if their club were happy to sanction the deal.

Its not unfair really, the manager side I can agree, but swapping a hard battle to sit on our bench ? It just smacks of him wanting an easy life, its lazy, and we shouldn't be signing anyone who wants that imho.

 

[Ric]

JFE's position imo should be Maguire or somebody like that, see if they become good enough to be a first choice, if not, sell.

Maguire turned down Spurs in the summer though, precisely because he thought he’d have limited opportunities, so there’s little guarantee he’d come, even if Leicester were willing to sell (and presumably he’d be much more than Evans). It’s easy criticising the move for Evans, but more difficult coming up with genuine, viable alternatives.

 

[The Doctor]

That’s a bit unfair. Who, at that stage of their career, wouldn’t swap a relegation side for the best side in the country, managed by probably the best coach in the world? Especially if their club were happy to sanction the deal.

Well said Sir!

 

[Ric]

Its not unfair really, the manager side I can agree, but swapping a hard battle to sit on our bench ? It just smacks of him wanting an easy life, its lazy, and we shouldn't be signing anyone who wants that imho.

He’ll probably double his salary at least. Not sure many people would turn their nose up at that. I’m not even that keen on signing him, but I think your particular criticism is harsh.

 

[Nails]

@Ric, this talking sense business will NEVER catch on.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

To me, there are only two situations where you should be buying a player you know will be a backup. Firstly, when they're cheap enough that it doesn't really matter, like when we got Delph. And secondly, when they're young enough that they might become good enough to start in the future, and will still have some resale value if they don't.

There are good reasons to not be in favour of the Evans move. He's not cheap, he's not young, and he's not likely to start most games. Having said that, we've been chasing him for two windows now, which suggests that it's not some impulsive decision made out of desperation. If he allows Pep to rotate the defence without causing too much disruption to our style of play (which Mangala struggles to do), then I'm willing to trust their judgement. I just hope we're not going to make the same mistake as last time we were on top and decided we didn't really need to strengthen with top class players and brought in a lot of second-rate ones that were impossible to shift for years afterwards.

 

[bondsman]

Maguire turned down Spurs in the summer though, precisely because he thought he’d have limited opportunities, so there’s little guarantee he’d come, even if Leicester were willing to sell (and presumably he’d be much more than Evans). It’s easy criticising the move for Evans, but more difficult coming up with genuine, viable alternatives.

What about Lascelles at the toon? Raw but hes got the tools to be decent

 

[Neville Kneville]

Maguire turned down Spurs in the summer though, precisely because he thought he’d have limited opportunities, so there’s little guarantee he’d come, even if Leicester were willing to sell (and presumably he’d be much more than Evans). It’s easy criticising the move for Evans, but more difficult coming up with genuine, viable alternatives.

Fair enough but for one he is a more established player now & we are clearly short at cb & the season is halfway through so he could reasonably expect to play some this season & a lot next season (if he's good enough) & can play as backup whilst maybe winning trophies in the meantime.

But our scouting network must have plenty more in the pipeline. Once we sign JFE, we are stuck with him good or bad.

 

[Neville Kneville]

To me, there are only two situations where you should be buying a player you know will be a backup. Firstly, when they're cheap enough that it doesn't really matter, like when we got Delph. And secondly, when they're young enough that they might become good enough to start in the future, and will still have some resale value if they don't.

There are good reasons to not be in favour of the Evans move. He's not cheap, he's not young, and he's not likely to start most games. Having said that, we've been chasing him for two windows now, which suggests that it's not some impulsive decision made out of desperation. If he allows Pep to rotate the defence without causing too much disruption to our style of play (which Mangala struggles to do), then I'm willing to trust their judgement. I just hope we're not going to make the same mistake as last time we were on top and decided we didn't really need to strengthen with top class players and brought in a lot of second-rate ones that were impossible to shift for years afterwards.

Oh if he comes then most definitely Pep has a plan for him. And I would be ecstatic if JFE was world class for us & I'll back him & not even boo him if he gives away 3 pens & gets sent off, I'll just sigh.

 

[Ric]

What about Lascelles at the toon? Raw but hes got the tools to be decent

Looks decent, but what’s the prospect of Newcastle selling their captain when embroiled in a relegation dogfight? I think people keep missing this - our need is seemingly urgent, and their are very few suitable CBs available this window, hence why we’re looking at Evans and Martinez.

 

[toutmaster]

What's Andy Morrison upto these days?

I will ask jock I played in the same school team with him at southway comp in Plymouth