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Has the player stated his preference for a move?

Savic seems to be aligned with the rags so if they bid for Jorginho it should only be seen as artificial inflation to slow our recruitment, the response should be in kind and aggressively so, see how far we can bump up that £80m price tag.
 
Has the player stated his preference for a move?

Savic seems to be aligned with the rags so if they bid for Jorginho it should only be seen as artificial inflation to slow our recruitment, the response should be in kind and aggressively so, see how far we can bump up that £80m price tag.

Jorginho himself has said he prefers going to a club that play a similar style to Napoli. Rags ruled out immediately. Should be between us, Pool and Spurs. We are the most logical choice then Pool then Spurs.
 
Jorginho himself has said he prefers going to a club that play a similar style to Napoli. Rags ruled out immediately. Should be between us, Pool and Spurs. We are the most logical choice then Pool then Spurs.
I don't think Spurs will be spending big this summer with the stadium situation, in fact it's probably safer for the first port of call to be improving the wages of the stars they want to keep. Not sure how much Liverpool would be willing to spend on him or whether they are actually interested in signing him but it would likely be between City and Liverpool.

Hopeful of us succeeding with this signing without being ripped off to boot, there's also the Zinchenko situation, we could either loan him or sell him(if he wants to leave) as a sweetener to the deal.
 
I don't think Spurs will be spending big this summer with the stadium situation, in fact it's probably safer for the first port of call to be improving the wages of the stars they want to keep. Not sure how much Liverpool would be willing to spend on him or whether they are actually interested in signing him but it would likely be between City and Liverpool.

Definitely. I see Spurs as a club that youngsters go to to raise their profile. You don’t go there approaching your prime. Would be a step down from Napoli as well.

He was linked with Liverpool many times. Just search his name and Liverpool on google and you will see the links. Think Jorginho said something good about Pep, can’t remember the exact quote.

It’s been said this deal should be done by the end of May. Would be the perfect addition.

While Liverpool are attractive, they are probably another season away from challenging. Their bench is extremely weak and you simply can’t win the PL with a weak bench unless you play one game per week.
 
Fred and Ndombele are like Dinho - very energetic ball-winners able to defend large spaces thanks to their athleticism.

Jorginho (and Weigl in his best form) is a 'Busquets', great passer that rarely loses the ball under pressure. IMO Pool games have clearly shown that City need the latter type of DM.
Busquets has time to control a game in La Liga & in the CL, in the PL opposition players would be on him like flies on shit. This isn't to say we should give away style, for physicality, but as we found with Yaya, putting a player with a lack of effervecent physicality in a DM position was a recipe for disaster.

When Pellegrini was manager, we were constantly exposed because of his belief a ball playing Yaya could withstand the rigours of being a PL defensive midfielder in a central midfield 2. Pep saw this issue before he came here & immediately changed it when he arrived, with the result being less game time for Yaya.

I suppose the question I'm asking is has Jorginho got the physical assets for the PL & has Fred got the passing ability required for Pep's Manchester City?
 
Busquets has time to control a game in La Liga & in the CL, in the PL opposition players would be on him like flies on shit.
Sorry mate, but I think this sentence could be placed alongside Gray's "Can Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke?" and Collymore's "PL team's won't allow to pass pretty patterns around them". Midfielders of possession teams have MORE time on the ball here than in La Liga or Bundesliga, IMO no team outside of top-6 presses well aside of Bournemouth, Brighton and (occasionally) Huddersfield. It will change once the owners start to invite progressive coaches in numbers (I suspect we'll see a kind of a 'German invasion' in the coming years).

The only unique feature of PL that makes it difficult is the style of refereeing - players are allowed to kick opponents more. But we've seen this season it's not a problem for City's technicians.
I suppose the question I'm asking is has Jorginho got the physical assets for the PL & has Fred got the passing ability required for Pep's Manchester City?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your question implicitly contains the suggestion: "you need to be an athletic destroyer to play as DM in the Prem". Which is IMO wrong. Jorginho can tackle and head the ball fairly well, he's strong in challenges, but he won't be able to defend large gaps like Kante, Fred or Dinho as he lacks their mobility. What he brings in is a great decision-making, positioning and press-resistance. The most recent example of how it works is the Spurs game, when fragile Gundogan had no problems with Tottenham's high-pressing midfield.

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you.
 
Busquets has time to control a game in La Liga & in the CL, in the PL opposition players would be on him like flies on shit. This isn't to say we should give away style, for physicality, but as we found with Yaya, putting a player with a lack of effervecent physicality in a DM position was a recipe for disaster.

When Pellegrini was manager, we were constantly exposed because of his belief a ball playing Yaya could withstand the rigours of being a PL defensive midfielder in a central midfield 2. Pep saw this issue before he came here & immediately changed it when he arrived, with the result being less game time for Yaya.

I suppose the question I'm asking is has Jorginho got the physical assets for the PL & has Fred got the passing ability required for Pep's Manchester City?

85% of the teams are waiting us on their own half, how are they on our players like flies on shit lol.Thin Jorginho would be fine ,we need to win the cl ,don´t see a problem in Premier league ,if we keep killing weaker sides like we most of the time did this season.
 
Not worried Jorginho would want to join us over them because of our system. Unless he is a mercenary then we don't need him.
 
Busquets has time to control a game in La Liga & in the CL, in the PL opposition players would be on him like flies on shit. This isn't to say we should give away style, for physicality, but as we found with Yaya, putting a player with a lack of effervecent physicality in a DM position was a recipe for disaster.

When Pellegrini was manager, we were constantly exposed because of his belief a ball playing Yaya could withstand the rigours of being a PL defensive midfielder in a central midfield 2. Pep saw this issue before he came here & immediately changed it when he arrived, with the result being less game time for Yaya.

I suppose the question I'm asking is has Jorginho got the physical assets for the PL & has Fred got the passing ability required for Pep's Manchester City?

The Pellegrini stuff is more to do with him insisting on a 442 (or occasionally a 4231 but with a no.10 with no pressure to defend) and failing to demand a high workrate throughout the team

We should remember that we will still have Dinho at the club and given his build he should still be able to contribute for 2 years yet, esp. if he is afforded more rest.

Perhaps in 20/21 Claudio Gomes will be ready to succeed Dinho in the squad - if not we simply sign someone. There's no rush imo to sign a defensive style DM.
 
Rags scouting system is what ever player pep wants, that’s who we go for haha

Mourinho has been mentioning this subtly in his interviews. He said his team was ready for a new evolution adding more players, but also said their title chances depends on what we do. No wonder he has been going after our players. Sanchez, Fred, Jorginho...
 
Sorry mate, but I think this sentence could be placed alongside Gray's "Can Messi do it on a cold night in Stoke?" and Collymore's "PL team's won't allow to pass pretty patterns around them". Midfielders of possession teams have MORE time on the ball here than in La Liga or Bundesliga, IMO no team outside of top-6 presses well aside of Bournemouth, Brighton and (occasionally) Huddersfield. It will change once the owners start to invite progressive coaches in numbers (I suspect we'll see a kind of a 'German invasion' in the coming years).

The only unique feature of PL that makes it difficult is the style of refereeing - players are allowed to kick opponents more. But we've seen this season it's not a problem for City's technicians.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your question implicitly contains the suggestion: "you need to be an athletic destroyer to play as DM in the Prem". Which is IMO wrong. Jorginho can tackle and head the ball fairly well, he's strong in challenges, but he won't be able to defend large gaps like Kante, Fred or Dinho as he lacks their mobility. What he brings in is a great decision-making, positioning and press-resistance. The most recent example of how it works is the Spurs game, when fragile Gundogan had no problems with Tottenham's high-pressing midfield.

Feel free to correct me if I misunderstood you.
I'm not saying you HAVE to be 'an athletic destroyer to play as a DM in the Prem', what I am saying is that the 2 most celebrated CDM's in the Prem are.

I always thought of Gundog as a creative CDM before he came here & was surprised when he was mainly used further forward. I think he's better as a CDM for City than a CM mainly because I'd pick KDB & Silva ahead of him.

However, when he deputised for Dinho during his ban, I thought Gundog was excellent, BUT as soon as Dinho's ban was up, it was as you were. The skilful, energetic CDM seems to be Pep's preference, so who am I to argue with Guardiola?

@ken tali As we've found, everything works ticketyboo until we come across a team like Liverpool who have a rapid, skilful, counter-attacking front line. It's when those inevitable counters start that I don't want to see a sloth-like Yaya wheezing his way over the halfway line back into position.

The fact we control most games limits the chances of this hurting us, but it's not so long ago that the rapid counter attack was an effective tactic used against us, hence Guardiola dispensing of our whole defence & buying players who not only could defend, but had skill, speed, but more importantly energy. Guardiola said the very same in a press conference 15 months ago.

@Silva_Spell Yes Pellegrini's preference for a midfield 2 with Yaya in there still boggles the mind, but to a degree the same still applies. Skill is the most important factor for a football player imo, but in certain areas (especially CDM) we need physicality added to that talent as a crucial skill set.

Guardiola obviously agrees judging by the way that as long as Dinho is fit, he plays. But how long are we going to rinse our 33 year old CDM King? The last thing we need is a cliff edge season where Dinho ages overnight because of the years of physical pressure exerted on his body.

Just as with Aguero, David Silva, Yaya (see KDB) & Kompany, we need to start our succession planning from now before it's forced upon us. This way we get time to ease new players in (Gundog/Bernardo) whilst the spine of our team evolves from the foundation of Aguero, Silva, Yaya, Fernandinho & Kompany, to whoever will eventually replace them.

Pep did the same en masse last summer when Sagna, Kolarov, Clichy & Zabaleta were released for younger, more energetic models. In this respect, Pep knows exactly what he's doing. To qualify that, all we have to do is compare our performances last season, to this.

Now to all of you, I'm not saying Jorginho isn't right for City, because I've seen very little of him to cast an opinion. This is why I put the question out there just so I could gather your more in depth knowledge of him as a player, so thank you for your considered & respectful responses.
 
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For a free transfer, why not? at least we wouldn't be spending 53m for a player we don't need. Mario is a proven goal scorer, with PL experience, I don't see what the problem is, you might be a fan of Jorginho, I am not.

But DM is our most important requirement this summer?
 
But DM is our most important requirement this summer?

True but Jorginho isn't exactly a natural lynchpin DM type, if we want a DM we could look at Fabinho, he is more of a natural DM and probably wouldn't cost as much as Jorginho, we could also try to get ahead of Juve and snap up Can for free. The midfield is solid and doesn't need much tweaking. We could also plan for the future, get Claudio Gomes for a measly fee and leave it up to Pep to mould him into his perfect Busquet type DM in about a year or two. The need for a new DM isn't exactly as urgent as some here make it seem, Dinho still has at least 2 years in him, this Jorginho obsession could turn out to be another DDR transfer fiasco, its always a problem dealing with the Italians, Levy is a joke compared to that profiteering bastard De Laurentis.
 
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