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roy.or.r said:
Yes, but you also said he is choosing location over his career. It's not like going to Chelsea is a bad move. They were the champions 14 months back. So, I don't see how is it going to affect his career.
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That was 14 months ago with Diego Costa as goal scorer. They are nothing like that now and are a million miles away from wining the premier league going forward.
 
Obviously odds don't mean a whole lot but fascinating how Jorginho has gone from 1/20 to join City to slowly even money for Chelsea and even money for City, then gradually odds on for Chelsea as far as 1/20 to join Chelsea after ADL's announcement and a few more things this morning before back to 1/8 to join Chelsea are a few Manchester journalists have said City still in it and believe he wants to join.

If you were actually ITK you could make a fortune off one transfer.
 
roy.or.r said:
It doesn't always work like that in football. Some players will have different preferences. I remember we signed Kolarov back then ahead of Madrid. Chelsea were rumored to be in for Aguero before we signed him. It's not like all the players we have signed were 100% commited to joining City at that time. People here need to understand that just because we won the league by record points does not mean that all top players will dream to play for Pep and City.
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Be careful. You’re talking good sense there, bud. And, as has been previously suggested on here, his decision may be strongly linked to assurances that under Sarri he’ll be a definite starter in most games and that their central midfield will be built around him and Kante. We can give him no such assurances.
 
One lesson we can learn from this whatever the outcome, never negotiate with ADL and Napoli again.
 
roy.or.r said:
It doesn't always work like that in football. Some players will have different preferences. I remember we signed Kolarov back then ahead of Madrid. Chelsea were rumored to be in for Aguero before we signed him. It's not like all the players we have signed were 100% commited to joining City at that time. People here need to understand that just because we won the league by record points does not mean that all top players will dream to play for Pep and City.
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That and he gets to play for the manager he just had his breakout with. It's extremely arrogant to assume that all of our targets will choose City or else they obviously lack ambition or whatever else. We have to put in the effort on our side also and when you leave deals open as long as we tend to do, for whatever reason, you open the door to other clubs. Anyone we go for is going to be good enough to have other options, we can't expect they'll be 100% dedicated to the club before they've even signed.
 
Pigeonho said:
So if a player signs for anyone but us, they’re not showing ambition? On that basis then shouldn’t we be signing everyone?
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I'm not saying that. If you read back to my earlier post i'm saying he's choosing his preference of club by location rather than ambition which is not the right mindset you want
 
It seems I was right in how I took that statement earlier, it's the owner who is shafting City here, not necessarily the player.
 
Definitely concur with @Mr HJ

If not Jorginho then Weigl, Thiago, Kovacic or a wildcard of some kind - Pep knows this position better than anyone, he'll make the right choice from what is available but most importantly they will represent an asset to City

If I were a City fan, I wouldn't worry in the least
 
So, where is the pic of him signing for Chelsea, there must be one because so many now have said he has

Been a great afternoon seeing who can out flap each other- prizes will be issued later :)
 
The Preacher said:
Be careful. You’re talking good sense there, bud. And, as has been previously suggested on here, his decision may be strongly linked to assurances that under Sarri he’ll be a definite starter in most games and that their central midfield will be built around him and Kante. We can give him no such assurances.
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Or at least an assurance whatever percentage of his salary is paid in bonus is attainable even if he has a nightmare.
 
FCBarca said:
Definitely concur with @Mr HJ

If not Jorginho then Weigl, Thiago, Kovacic or a wildcard of some kind - Pep knows this position better than anyone, he'll make the right choice from what is available but most importantly they will represent an asset to City

If I were a City fan, I wouldn't worry in the least
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Weigl has been very inconsistent in recent times. I feel he'd be too much of a gamble based on a great season a few years back.

Thiago and Kovacic aren't guys to replace the defensive qualities of Fernandinho. If something happened to Gundogan or God forbid KDB or either Silva, then they'd be perfect replacements there, but not for the 6 role.

Jorginho isn't a defensive monster either but he will sit there and adopt that Busquets like role. He may not be a better player than Thiago or Kovacic but he's definitely suited to the role of replacing Fernandinho better. I'd be very fearful of having Thiago or Kovacic there.

Ndombele looks very good. I've watched a few more videos of him and obviously they must be taken with a grain of salt but he's got some stunning qualities.
 
Mr HJ said:
Facts are that
1. Napoli are a nightmare to negotiate with. From the outside it seems they try a play a game of poker and it seems they play an even harder hand when dealing with us. It's just the Italian way.
2. Chelsea are desperate to get rid of Conte and see Sari as a man who can change their somewhat downward trend - if Hazard also jumps ship they will need an even bigger rebuild.
3. Jorginho stated through his agent that he wanted to play for us especially with Pep in charge. Perhaps a combination of a bit of pressure from Napoli and the knowledge that Sari would make him the integral part of their midfield alongside Kante has turned his head? We have to accept that if it's is true. I still think he wants to come to us.
4. We are not as desperate, and have rightly set a limit, as others have said - we conduct ourselves a certain way with more integrity than Italian owners.
5. Their are other options and I trust Pep to identify someone we need. Yes it is always better to grow from strength but Marhez is a brilliant first step. They will get someone in if it's a big need - if Jorginho changes his mind and insists on us great, if not we'll be fine, For what it's worth I also predict we finish way ahead of Chelsea again.

In summary - we only need players who want to be here, are prepared to fight for a starting place, and are also good men that fit into an already happy dressing room. During the last few years the only player that didn't come that I think would have really done well is Isco. Van P, Sanchez, Alves and even Hazard made their choices and we still got 100 points in a record breaking season. If I was a top player there would only be one destination for me, but then again I'm biased! Last season was incredible and yet there were still a couple of players who didn't reach their full potential and that must be quite frightening to the other teams, hence why they are spending heavily.

Finally, I don't think Delph - as some have suggested - is the answer in centre midfield as his decision making is not world class - I would keep him on the left side, sharing the load with Benjamin, as he did a mighty fine job last year.
So come on Jorginho - do a Fernandinho and insist on your choice, based mainly on football reasons not just to make an Italian owner happier. We shall see very soon.
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mosssideblue said:
So, where is the pic of him signing for Chelsea, there must be one because so many now have said he has

Been a great afternoon seeing who can out flap each other- prizes will be issued later :)
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Shak wins top prize for his nonsensical rant, anything else would be a travesty.
 
The Preacher said:
Be careful. You’re talking good sense there, bud. And, as has been previously suggested on here, his decision may be strongly linked to assurances that under Sarri he’ll be a definite starter in most games and that their central midfield will be built around him and Kante. We can give him no such assurances.
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What kind of fanny needs to be told 'you are a definite starter?' So what does the player want in that situation? The knowledge that their performances could drop off a cliff and they'd still be chosen even not on merit? As if he wouldn't start here where we have 1 33 year old player competing for his role.
 
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