Julian Weigl

tolmie's hairdoo said:
Nope, we want both. Fred has other facets to his game which Pep also wants to use higher up when needed.
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That's fine, but who goes ? assuming we also bring in a wide attacker. Toure obviously goes maybe Zinchenko but there is talk of him extending.Only way I could see it working was if Gundogon was sold.
 
Damocles said:
This is the Premier League exceptionalism argument slightly modified. "Yeah but can he do it in England??!?!?!?!", etc. It's a crap argument, football is football is football.
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Premier League exceptionalism? No, I think he couldn't do it in Germany on his own, nor did Thomas Tuchel or Peter Bosz, or Peter Stoger, as they've all decided he should play in a midfield 2 with a more defensive partner.
Damocles said:
He's already a better player than Fern, if not quite as versatile.



This is the Premier League exceptionalism argument slightly modified. "Yeah but can he do it in England??!?!?!?!", etc. It's a crap argument, football is football is football.

Would you turn down a 25 year old Busquets due to his lack of mobility?

You may feel that you're looking at both, but I'm looking at the important one. You don't need mobility to defend if your brain is good enough. And his seems to be.
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I know dismissing people who disagree with you as xenophobic premier league centric Paul Merson types is your MO but repeating it doesn't make it so.

If you watched him play under Bosz who moved him 5 yards further up the pitch - but still deeper than Fernandinho plays for us - you'd have seen he was absolutely awful, a shadow of the player from 18 months ago and caught out for pace plenty of times in Germany. The concerns have nothing to do with the league he plays in.

You think reading of the game trumps all. I know it didn't when he played under Bosz so I'm sceptical.

I'm not ruling out that he could come to us or any other premier league club and be successful, but I have my doubts about him replacing Fernandinho like-for-like that won't be resolved until he is put on his own at the base of midfield for more than 1 or 2 games against canon fodder and demonstrates the ability to defend running towards his own goal like Fernandinho ends up doing so often.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Pep has told people behind the scenes that he firmly believes he will be David Silva's long-term successor.
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Yeah but Silva isn't going anywhere next season so why would Bernardo move central then?

Gundogan is preferred to him centrally at present as well so it seems likely Bernardo will be playing wide right (where hes played his entire career up to now) for the foreseeable.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He won't yet but suppose Pep is just trying to put the building blocks in place for years to come?

I have a suspicion Sterling still has some convincing to do also.
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You've already said today Fred is expected to play some time at 8 not defensive mid to accommodate a player like Weigl, that doesnt work if Bernardo also moving to 8, you'd have 5 players and Foden - who Pep has hyped up as a first team option at every possible opportunity- trying to play in 2 positions. Even for someone who likes a deep squad that's too much.

Sterling being shunted out as you've suggested also doesn't tie in with Bernardo moving centrally unless were going to buy 2 or 3 forwards in the summer as well as the 2 central players.
 
domalino said:
You've already said today Fred is expected to play some time at 8 not defensive mid to accommodate a player like Weigl, that doesnt work if Bernardo also moving to 8, you'd have 5 players and Foden - who Pep has hyped up as a first team option at every possible opportunity- trying to play in 2 positions. Even for someone who likes a deep squad that's too much.

Sterling being shunted out as you've suggested also doesn't tie in with Bernardo moving centrally unless were going to buy 2 or 3 forwards in the summer as well as the 2 central players.
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Bernardo won't be moving to eight next season, I said Pep eventually sees him as Silva's replacement, with Dave now around for at least another three years. Bernardo will continue to get his game time where and when.

Makes plenty of sense and Bernardo is only 23. Foden could go out on loan next season.

We want Bailly too, so work that one out.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Bernardo won't be moving to eight next season, I said Pep eventually sees him as Silva's replacement, with Dave now around for at least another three years. Bernardo will continue to get his game time where and when.

Makes plenty of sense and Bernardo is only 23. Foden could go out on loan next season.

We want Bailly too, so work that one out.
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Bernardo moving later but not next season was exactly my point, you seem to be arguing in agreement here.

I assume Bailey is the Sanchez/Mahrez replacement, we're clearly lacking a forward.

It would be a shame of Foden was loaned out as it's only a couple of weeks since Guardiola said he was good enough to not need a loan and could step up to the first team directly.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Bernardo won't be moving to eight next season, I said Pep eventually sees him as Silva's replacement, with Dave now around for at least another three years. Bernardo will continue to get his game time where and when.

Makes plenty of sense and Bernardo is only 23. Foden could go out on loan next season.

We want Bailly too, so work that one out.
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He's a CB so shouldn't affect who we play in midfield/forward positions
 
domalino said:
Bernardo moving later but not next season was exactly my point, you seem to be arguing in agreement here.

I assume Bailey is the Sanchez/Mahrez replacement, we're clearly lacking a forward.

It would be a shame of Foden was loaned out as it's only a couple of weeks since Guardiola said he was good enough to not need a loan and could step up to the first team directly.
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haha - I wasn't arguing!
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He won't yet but suppose Pep is just trying to put the building blocks in place for years to come?

I have a suspicion Sterling still has some convincing to do also.
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why? the lad is improving season on season and is no way at his peak, scoring lots of goals, 20 so far and some pulling us out of holes we were firmly in
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He won't yet but suppose Pep is just trying to put the building blocks in place for years to come?

I have a suspicion Sterling still has some convincing to do also.
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Well he couldn't really be doing much more ffs. Pep prefers sterling to any of our forwards imo, you can tell that by the fact he always gets rested for important games over the likes of Sane.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He won't yet but suppose Pep is just trying to put the building blocks in place for years to come?

I have a suspicion Sterling still has some convincing to do also.
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I'd be very surprised indeed if Raheem still has to prove a point to Pep. His record this season has been exceptional and he'll only get better.

On Weigl, how do we fit him, Fred and the rest into our already stacked midfield?
 
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