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What situation? Losing a few games?

We're over reacting to a ridiculous extent on here. Is the solution to get big Sam in to steady the ship?

I don't see us as 8 or 9 short, more 4 or 5.

Fucking everything the guy has done and achieved at our club and the first time he hits a rocky patch we've got fans questioning his credentials. A complete joke.

As I've said, if we're struggling this time next season it might be worth having a discussion but until then, it's not difficult to ride it out - wait for transfer windows, wait for players to come back from injury and see where we are.

Depressing reading these views. The moment Pep leaves is the moment we regress as a club, and not just for 2 fucking months. Likely a turbulent time ahead of hiring and firing managers, just be grateful for who we have.
No worries mate. It's all good. Nothing to see here.
 
So all our fans 30 and under are not "true" fans? Nonsense. We can't expect them to laugh at this situation. Back in the day it was much easier to be OK with a lack of success. There weren't these expectations. This squad was considered the best squad in the world less than 2 months ago and now can't beat ANYONE. In fact, in many games we aren't even competitive. And our legendary manager seems at a loss to stem the bleeding. These younger fans are in shock. Why? Because what's happening is shocking, simple as. As an older fan myself I'm glad these young fuckers are in an uproar. God bless them!!!!

The City YouTubers are a laughingstock of the club, Only Big Steve can hold his own, the rest are after-hits and in it for themselves, It is dangerous if City fans are hanging on to every word they speak

You support your football club in good or bad, WHY, It is because that is football, Once you are at the top everybody is chasing you, so to keep winning the title and 4 in a row takes a special team and club, But you have to fail at some point and fall from grace,

Why laugh at a crisis, Well is it a crisis if you don't win
 
What is fucking annoying is the fact there are no stand out teams at home or in Europe.

Our teams of the last 10.years would win the big double easily.

Has football finally reached the point where winning titles means nowt to players.
Look at Mbappe for example, spent 2 years trying to get to Madrid and he's been crap since getting there.

Sadly, the standards we set over the years may never be reached again by anybody else.
 
So all our fans 30 and under are not "true" fans? Nonsense. We can't expect them to laugh at this situation. Back in the day it was much easier to be OK with a lack of success. There weren't these expectations. This squad was considered the best squad in the world less than 2 months ago and now can't beat ANYONE. In fact, in many games we aren't even competitive. And our legendary manager seems at a loss to stem the bleeding. These younger fans are in shock. Why? Because what's happening is shocking, simple as. As an older fan myself I'm glad these young fuckers are in an uproar. God bless them!!!!

What games weren't we competitive in other than Liverpool?

Even in our drubbings to Sporting and Spurs, we were competitive. Sporting we pretty much dominated the first half and should have been out of sight before they scored. Spurs we had 23 shots and an xG not much down from theirs. Yes we defended horrendously but to say we weren't competitive would be misleading to say the least.

Brighton we were winning the game with 20 minutes or so left and again should have had more, Bournemouth again just wrong to say we weren't competitive.

Genuinely can't think of a game (Liverpool aside) where we haven't been competitive, whether that means we played well for a full 90 minutes throughout the team is a different matter.

This "we can't beat ANYONE" is needless hyperbole.

It's a rough patch, it happens. It'd be great if it didn't but they're inevitable.
 
Lewis/Gundog have no defensive awareness, full stop

No one does at the moment. We're panicking. Our defensive shape without the ball is horrific. Players are pressing and leaving easy passes available and plenty of space. Or they're dropping far too deep. Here are some images of our defensive shape from last night, and I've compared it to Juventus.

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City in attack - Juve have their defenders in the box and are all on the front foot looking to close the ball as soon as it's played. You can see Gundo and De Bruyne have some space.

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But instantly the Juve players have sprinted out to close that down and prevent the ball coming into the box.

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Meanwhile this is us... Doku and Rico had doubled up on Conceicao. Gundo is...well I'm not sure what he's up to with a man behind him. Despite how many players in defensive positions we have, there's an easy pass back and it's 3 v 3 in the box for any cross - which is what happens.

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And here's another example. Look how many players are back, but how much space there is outside the box. No one has got tight to a player to prevent an easy pass or to win the ball back. We've just got back into the defensive third and are all stood around watching the ball, which gets crossed in and ends up leading to the goal. You can pick out nearly every player in a City shirt and see something wrong. Haaland should have prevented the cross. Dias has two players he's defending because Gvardiol's positioning is wrong. Gundo and Bernardo don't need to be where they are and should either be tracking a man or on the edge of the box to close one of those players off. Walker's got the man behind him as well as one in front which he's too far off to mark.

Ederson then spills the ball, it's not cleared properly...Walker doesn't get tight to stop the cross and despite three defenders being in the box Vlahovic wins the header, Ederson spills again and it's 1-0.

It's a car crash at the moment. It's like watching kids. Run straight back to your goal as soon as you lose it seems to be the strategy. But don't worry about any shape or defensive structure.
 
No one does at the moment. We're panicking. Our defensive shape without the ball is horrific. Players are pressing and leaving easy passes available and plenty of space. Or they're dropping far too deep. Here are some images of our defensive shape from last night, and I've compared it to Juventus.

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City in attack - Juve have their defenders in the box and are all on the front foot looking to close the ball as soon as it's played. You can see Gundo and De Bruyne have some space.

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But instantly the Juve players have sprinted out to close that down and prevent the ball coming into the box.

View attachment 140424

Meanwhile this is us... Doku and Rico had doubled up on Conceicao. Gundo is...well I'm not sure what he's up to with a man behind him. Despite how many players in defensive positions we have, there's an easy pass back and it's 3 v 3 in the box for any cross - which is what happens.

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And here's another example. Look how many players are back, but how much space there is outside the box. No one has got tight to a player to prevent an easy pass or to win the ball back. We've just got back into the defensive third and are all stood around watching the ball, which gets crossed in and ends up leading to the goal. You can pick out nearly every player in a City shirt and see something wrong. Haaland should have prevented the cross. Dias has two players he's defending because Gvardiol's positioning is wrong. Gundo and Bernardo don't need to be where they are and should either be tracking a man or on the edge of the box to close one of those players off. Walker's got the man behind him as well as one in front which he's too far off to mark.

Ederson then spills the ball, it's not cleared properly...Walker doesn't get tight to stop the cross and despite three defenders being in the box Vlahovic wins the header, Ederson spills again and it's 1-0.

It's a car crash at the moment. It's like watching kids. Run straight back to your goal as soon as you lose it seems to be the strategy. But don't worry about any shape or defensive structure.
Get yourself down to the Etihad and get in Peps ear……pretty basic tactics needed
 
Just read your post, but after posting mine. (I was so incensed by what I saw, that I posted in the heat of the moment). A lot of the things we're saying are very similar.

Yes - I do feel it's a lack of cohesion which isn't helped with changes & injuries etc. Although some of the defending can't be excused at all regardless of personnel!
 
Losing 2-0 at Juventus is no disgrace. We made 3/4 good chances - less than we used to do - and if we'd defended well, we should have taken at least a point. Shit happens when you're collectively off form, and out of luck.

The sideways and backwards passing by Lewis was very noticeable last night, as was his failure to pass so that his teammate could move forward onto the ball - there were many occasions when the player receiving the pass had to stop or move backwards, and that didn't used to be a feature of our game.

Lewis has come in handy at filling-in in a good team in the last 2 seasons, but, he's one of several liabilities at the moment - by no means the worst of those available but the lad is suffering as much as anyone else in the present squad. Others are flattering to deceive, and some have lost confidence and look like they're wearing lead boots.

Let's hope the messiah - Pep - can work us some magic on Sunday.......we'll need it!
 
Next 3 games will be shite might get a bit better from then. The opposition only have to mark Haaland out of the game at the moment, our players can’t find him and offer no threat themselves. The rags,PSG and Villa will pick us off.
 
Funnily enough, the most humiliating result recently, for me, was not a defeat (and I was in my seat for the Spurs match). It was the draw with Feyenoord. That was absolutely abject. As far back as I can remember, and my memories go back to the sixties, I can't think of a City team that I've seen do that. There must be several, but I haven't seen them. It was nothing short of criminal. Two points utterly thrown into the bin. The defeat last night would hurt, but would look fairly different without that one.
Very true mate…I was in shock after Feyenoord and must’ve wiped it from my memory !
 
What games weren't we competitive in other than Liverpool?

Even in our drubbings to Sporting and Spurs, we were competitive. Sporting we pretty much dominated the first half and should have been out of sight before they scored. Spurs we had 23 shots and an xG not much down from theirs. Yes we defended horrendously but to say we weren't competitive would be misleading to say the least.

Brighton we were winning the game with 20 minutes or so left and again should have had more, Bournemouth again just wrong to say we weren't competitive.

Genuinely can't think of a game (Liverpool aside) where we haven't been competitive, whether that means we played well for a full 90 minutes throughout the team is a different matter.

This "we can't beat ANYONE" is needless hyperbole.

It's a rough patch, it happens. It'd be great if it didn't but they're inevitable.
bournemouth away first half we were battered mate lucky to be only one down, and obviously the last 10 v feyenoord
but agree in all of the other games
 
Very important player, but we're not a one man team. It's a serious flaw if any side is created in that manner.

Happens to every side.

Where would liverpool be without Salah?

Barcelona once struggled when Messi wasn't playing.

The same for Madrid when ronaldo was out.
 
Missed the game last night as was at a function.
From what I’ve seen of highlights and post match interviews it sounds as if it was a case of not taking our chances again (a recurrent theme for many seasons given the massive number of chances we have to create to score a goal) and them taking theirs thanks to some substandard defending.
I don’t think we are necessarily playing badly in this period but are consistently making poor decisions especially defensively where the problems have been exposed by an utter lack of protection in midfield.
We desperately need to sign a top class defensive midfielder in January as there is absolutely no guarantee we will get the same Rodri back after his injury which won’t be until next season anyway.
We also need to sign a replacement for Walker as a matter of urgency.
If this can be done then I am optimistic for the rest of the season once the likes of Stones and Akanji and Ake are back.
The creative side of the midfield will need addressing in the summer window.
 
The big problem for me is that the signs were showing last season, and four in a row papered over some obvious cracks.
We were ahead three times at Stamford Bridge but drew 4-4, we were twice ahead against Spurs but drew 3-3, and we were two up v Palace and only drew 2-2. Other examples of poor results are available.
Conceding the lead so often was unheard of for most of the previous 12 seasons, so what was going on and why wasn't it addressed? The only decent chance we created in the cup final was the cock-up that led to the rags first goal, but our players were pissed and it kept Ten Bob in place so ho, ho, ho. We aren't laughing now.
We're over-reliant on Haaland for goals as we Grealish, Savinho, Nunes and Doku generate few goals and assists. Sane and Sterling may have been frustrating at times but offered much more than their replacements.
This isn't entirely a 2024-25 problem, it's been brewing for a while, and a major component of the problem is that the academy is producing too many players Pep won't use.
I’ve posted a few times we’ve been poor since that final. Our mentality that day was shite and we’ve never recovered fully since.
 
No worries mate. It's all good. Nothing to see here.
I don’t think he’s saying everything is all good!

If anybody dared to say SAF is a better manager than Pep City fans are all over them but now we have those same City fans wanting Pep sacked!

We have posters claiming Pep is the best manager in World football and now the same posters want him sacked!

Performances haven’t been great , far from it, but we are talking about a manager that has won 6 league titles, a domestic treble, a treble including Champions league and just won 4 league titles in a row. It’s utterly laughable people are calling for him to be sacked after a couple of months of poor form! Remember form is temporary and when City have a full compliment of players back that winning mentality and form will return !
 
If anybody dared to say SAF is a better manager than Pep City fans are all over them but now we have those same City fans wanting Pep sacked!

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Who exactly wants Pep sacked? Haven't seen that. There might be one utter cretin in a hundred. If they're a City fan, my strong suspicion is that they'd had one jar over the ten when they typed that trash. Otherwise, they might be infiltrators (and in-fill-traitors) masquerading as City fans and in here to stir up shit.
 
It's probably been asked already but if we finish 24th do we play the team who finished 9th in the playoffs
 
I don’t really post on forums or social but reading what folks are writing on here and in the rag media, I feel like I’m going crazy and living in a parallel universe.

We are where we are because of years of underinvestment by our skint owners! Our net spend over the last five years, total net spend, is £169m! That is the ELEVENTH highest in the premier league, 11!

The rags’ net spend in that period is £650m, Arsenal’s is £556m, chavs’ is £940m and the scourers’ net spend is almost 300m, yes the scousers who are always complaining about how much WE spend. We’ve been outspent by Nottingham Forest and West Ham ffs!


And then the ragity media and the assortment of rag “pundits” talk about unfairness and how no one can compete with a “state-backed” team. If anything, our net spend makes the 4 in a row a Cinderella story that beats Leicester’s by a country mile. A team being outspent by 10 other teams while still dominating for many years in a row and winning the UCL, all while being accused of unfairness. Pep and the players don’t get the credit they deserve.

The story is not that this team is not doing well now, it is the miracle that has been the last five years. Our owners should wake up and see the mess they created. Outspent by the fucking glazers, by Daniel Levy, and by the dildo man at West Ham.
 

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