Kalidou Koulibaly

catalyst said:
Depends on your merits for rating a centre half. Way different in modern game than it was even 10 years ago. He fits all the needs of one on current merits, is great with the ball (both feet), is a huge physical presence and wins aerials easily, and can defend largely well. Hence he's at the top of the list.
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Horses for courses. Would he be equally effective in our set up and I dont think he would
 
Talks still ongoing ffs, like they have for the last two months. Wtf is there left to talk about, covid, has De Laurentis produced any movies lately?. Will we still be talking come deadline day and in that time have left it too late to get somebody else in?. Need to accept this is heading nowhere and concentrate on Kounde.
 
mosssideblue said:
Horses for courses. Would he be equally effective in our set up and I dont think he would
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Put it this way, if Pep managed a 100 points having a backline of Otamendi, Stones and Delph, i can't imagine he'd be worse off having Van Dijk in there who's a much more capable player for this kind of system. I will agree however, he definitely would not look as good as he has in Liverpool's backline.
 
mosssideblue said:
Im not having a go but I dont see the hype Van Dick seems to be lauded with on here.
Yes, he has improved the scousers, but is he really as good as you are making out, not in my eyes
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Van Dyke is a good defender but is remarkably over rated by the vast majority of people.

He suits their system to a tee and has a very protective midfield in front of him.

Put him out side and he wouldn't appear anywhere near as good.
 
Marvin said:
1-2 years ago he was at the level of Van Dijk. It was a pleasure to watch him defend but his game is built around speed, and power and he's 29 and reportedly not been great this last season.

At his best he was special. He doesn't have the composure on the ball of a Lucio or Thiago Silva but in terms of raw defending, he was really hard. Over 4 games Koulibaly got the better of Salah one on one. But I have a fear his best years are behind him. Not based on what I have seen but just based on his characteristics and his age.
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Cheers Marv.....to me he is one of those that if we do or don't sign not particularly bothered either way as I just trust the club's judgement on players in or out....I think they've done a pretty good job so far!
 
Stoned Rose said:
Van Dyke is a good defender but is remarkably over rated by the vast majority of people.

He suits their system to a tee and has a very protective midfield in front of him.

Put him out side and he wouldn't appear anywhere near as good.
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On his form from last season, he would have stopped the goals Lyon scored & one of Arsenal's though. Because he would just ignore whoever told them all to stand about doing fuck all & just drop back & routinely defend it & the other defenders would follow his lead. Just as Vinny would have done.

That makes him much better than most. Since the restart though, he doesn't look quite the same. Maybe because he never gets a day off.

Koulibaly does the same tbf.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Van Dyke is a good defender but is remarkably over rated by the vast majority of people.

He suits their system to a tee and has a very protective midfield in front of him.

Put him out side and he wouldn't appear anywhere near as good.
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No such thing as a system player, you fit the system if you are good enough, the system doesn't accommodate you and make you look better. False comparison.

He is definitely good enough to fit ours, but yes, the protection he gets at Liverpool is more than he would get in our team so he would definitely not look best in the world.
 
catalyst said:
No such thing as a system player, you fit the system if you are good enough, the system doesn't accommodate you and make you look better. False comparison.

He is definitely good enough to fit ours, but yes, the protection he gets at Liverpool is more than he would get in our team so he would definitely not look best in the world.
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The level of contradiction between those two paragraphs is world class.
 
Fitting the system and looking/being world class are very separate.
 
Neville Kneville said:
On his form from last season, he would have stopped the goals Lyon scored & one of Arsenal's though. Because he would just ignore whoever told them all to stand about doing fuck all & just drop back & routinely defend it & the other defenders would follow his lead. Just as Vinny would have done.

That makes him much better than most. Since the restart though, he doesn't look quite the same. Maybe because he never gets a day off.

Koulibaly does the same tbf.
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Those situations probably don't happen to Liverpool in the first place as they have a very protective midfield who prevent such situations from happening.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Those situations probably don't happen to Liverpool in the first place as they have a very protective midfield who prevent such situations from happening.
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They literally do lol. Teams have exposed them via their wide areas on counters, especially because Trent and Robertson play so high. We did too when we played them. Just as teams have taken advantage of our wide areas on counters (aside the instances where it has been Fernandinho or Otamendi in 1v1 situations and gotten exposed badly).
 
catalyst said:
They literally do lol. Teams have exposed them via their wide areas on counters, especially because Trent and Robertson play so high. We did too when we played them. Just as teams have taken advantage of our wide areas on counters (aside the instances where it has been Fernandinho or Otamendi in 1v1 situations and gotten exposed badly).
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Nah.
 
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