They saved several lives but lost their own.
Kazakhstan passenger plane crash
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Yes sadly, I hope they get well remembered in Baku.
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Tha would be the result of a Kazakhstan ruSSian investigation but fortunately Azerbaijan knows only too well how they operate. Still not assisted with MH17 10 years ago. Animals, but that is an insult to animals!!
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Fog and Ukraine according to the Russians.
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Putin apologizes for "the tragic accident" (his words) but doesn't admit Russian military shot down the plane
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Drone activity in the area. GPS jamming occurring to destroy their navigation capability. Mistaken identity by Russians. Air defence missile believed to be destroying Ukrainian drone exploded beside the commercial airplane, peppering the fuselage with shrapnel.
After the explosion, it’s clear the aircraft became very difficult to control, which, with two operating engines (?), suggests hydraulic failure(s) making flight control difficult.
From video footage, when the aircraft is turning there are no spoilers visible. That would suggest loss of hydraulics. The fact that NONE are visible suggests multiple hydraulic systems were lost, as does the fugoidal flight path (rising and falling).
You may have noticed the landing gear was down, which is also a hydraulic function. However, as a safety back-up, the gear can be extended using gravity freefall and locking in place. Sadly, flight control back-ups are generally an alternate hydraulic system, which sometimes shares the load.
I am not an expert on the Embraer jet, but it is standard practice to have different aircraft systems use different hydraulic systems, BUT have CRITICAL SYSTEMS (like flight controls) use more than one hydraulic system, so that one backs up the other in case of failure.
Looking at the flight path, one recalls United 232, in Sioux City, Iowa on July 19, 1989. In that crash, the number 2 engine had an uncontained failure, with fan blade shrapnel piercing the exterior as it exploded.
As misfortune would have it, the DC-10 had one place in the hydraulic system where the THREE different systems came together. That location was in the tail of the aircraft and a piece of shrapnel destroyed it, leading to a total loss of hydraulic fluid, and thus pressure, to move the systems that were controlled by those hydraulics.
That aircraft had to be controlled by the use of the throttles, using differential thrust on the two good engines, to help maneuver the aircraft.
So, while there are significant similarities between the two aircraft flight paths, I don’t know for certain the cause is exactly the same. However, as a pilot for the last 35 years, they look eerily similar, with only the cause of the shrapnel penetrating the fuselage being different.
Because of the location, the parties involved, and the geopolitical realities, we may never know the full truth of what happened, but until I see something to refute my theory, I will continue to believe an air defence missile exploded in close proximity to the aircraft, penetrating the hull and destroying the ability to control the aircraft’s flight path…either due to hydraulic failure, cables being cut or electronic signals being interrupted…most probably the former.
That anyone survived is a miracle, just like with UAL 232. Two people showed heroic skills to almost get them to a runway and died in the act of trying to save the lives entrusted to them.
After the explosion, it’s clear the aircraft became very difficult to control, which, with two operating engines (?), suggests hydraulic failure(s) making flight control difficult.
From video footage, when the aircraft is turning there are no spoilers visible. That would suggest loss of hydraulics. The fact that NONE are visible suggests multiple hydraulic systems were lost, as does the fugoidal flight path (rising and falling).
You may have noticed the landing gear was down, which is also a hydraulic function. However, as a safety back-up, the gear can be extended using gravity freefall and locking in place. Sadly, flight control back-ups are generally an alternate hydraulic system, which sometimes shares the load.
I am not an expert on the Embraer jet, but it is standard practice to have different aircraft systems use different hydraulic systems, BUT have CRITICAL SYSTEMS (like flight controls) use more than one hydraulic system, so that one backs up the other in case of failure.
Looking at the flight path, one recalls United 232, in Sioux City, Iowa on July 19, 1989. In that crash, the number 2 engine had an uncontained failure, with fan blade shrapnel piercing the exterior as it exploded.
As misfortune would have it, the DC-10 had one place in the hydraulic system where the THREE different systems came together. That location was in the tail of the aircraft and a piece of shrapnel destroyed it, leading to a total loss of hydraulic fluid, and thus pressure, to move the systems that were controlled by those hydraulics.
That aircraft had to be controlled by the use of the throttles, using differential thrust on the two good engines, to help maneuver the aircraft.
So, while there are significant similarities between the two aircraft flight paths, I don’t know for certain the cause is exactly the same. However, as a pilot for the last 35 years, they look eerily similar, with only the cause of the shrapnel penetrating the fuselage being different.
Because of the location, the parties involved, and the geopolitical realities, we may never know the full truth of what happened, but until I see something to refute my theory, I will continue to believe an air defence missile exploded in close proximity to the aircraft, penetrating the hull and destroying the ability to control the aircraft’s flight path…either due to hydraulic failure, cables being cut or electronic signals being interrupted…most probably the former.
That anyone survived is a miracle, just like with UAL 232. Two people showed heroic skills to almost get them to a runway and died in the act of trying to save the lives entrusted to them.
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Putin is such a lying bastard!
He has no shame or conscience whatsoever.
In his first comments on the Christmas Day crash, Putin said the "tragic incident" had occurred when Russian air defence systems were actively repelling Ukrainian drones.
He has no shame or conscience whatsoever.
In his first comments on the Christmas Day crash, Putin said the "tragic incident" had occurred when Russian air defence systems were actively repelling Ukrainian drones.
Putin apologises for Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash, without saying Russia at fault
Russia's leader apologises for the downing of an Azerbaijani plane in Russian airspace - without directly taking blame.
www.bbc.co.uk
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I'm sure he knows exactly what occurred, but it doesn't mean he was lying about Ukranian drones, if GPS signals were being jammed to prevent the drone attack, then it would have been difficult to identify anything much. One thing he/they did lie about was "fog", because I looked at the airports weather after it happened, and I didn't see any fog in the reports, the visibility wasn't great, and the cloud base quite low, but nothing that would have prevented a relatively modern plane land on instruments, so something else caused them to be holding.Putin is such a lying bastard!
He has no shame or conscience whatsoever.
In his first comments on the Christmas Day crash, Putin said the "tragic incident" had occurred when Russian air defence systems were actively repelling Ukrainian drones.
Putin apologises for Azerbaijan Airlines plane crash, without saying Russia at fault
Russia's leader apologises for the downing of an Azerbaijani plane in Russian airspace - without directly taking blame.www.bbc.co.uk
From all the reports and data, the plane was holding near Grozny, then disappeared, the jamming going on, this is known because the signal disappeared for quite a long time, and the shrapnel through the aircraft is very similar to MH17, suggesting a missile. It was likely told to divert to the Kazakh airfield as it was still flying, and the pilots nearly got it there, the 3D graphic earlier suggests it had more or less lined up to land at one point, before the trace went crazy.
@ChicagoBlue I wonder if the final crayness of the flightpath could have caused by the gear being lowered to land, making it even more difficult to fly ? Though I guess if the hydraulics were only leaking slowly, it may have initially had enough control until near the end ?
Whatever the pilots did an amazing job getting it that far, and preventing a sea ditching, because it's unlikey anyone would have survived that at this time of year, as it would have taken ages to find the wreckage, and that sea is pretty cold at the end of December, so even if anyone survived the crash, they would have quickly ended up with hypothermia.
I’ve seen the video of the plane coming down. There was no fog as you say.