KEEP SAFE: 'Make rape legal' group plan events in Shambles Square & worldwide

[CTID1988]

If they want to make rape legal on private property, maybe invite them into the oyster bar and bum them senseless? An eye for an eye and all that

 

[Damocles]

No he has said that the law needs to be changed and that in effect rape on private property would not be a crime if that woman had entered that property willingly. He specified all women not women he picked up, he did not talk about intoxication (other than effectively saying if you drink you get what you get). What you are saying is your interpretation of his motives not what the group are advocating as Law change.

Your definition of a lie is your definition of a lie, I prefer to look at the legal definition of a lie which is what applies in this.

So in this case you are setting your own definitions and setting your own thoughts on his motives (and you may be correct) but that's not the point

No, you're quoting a single line out a large article and missing the point of the whole article. You can look at the legal definition of a lie if it makes you feel better, but I prefer to take my morals from what is right and wrong rather than pedantic legislation. Taking things out of context or using satirical ideas designed to make a point about consent as literally as possible then making a huge fuss about this is morally wrong.

I keep reading in the mainstream media that there is a rape culture in the United States. This issue concerns me since I have a sister who I don’t want to be raped, so I carefully examined the articles on Salon, Buzzfeed, and Huffington Post that were written by professional journalists who pursue truth and justice over mass hysteria and delirium.

What I’ve gathered from the words of these future Pulitzer Prize winners is that women are not getting raped by violent offenders while taking a jog in the park or walking through a dark street—they are getting raped by men they already know, especially at college. I learned that if a man and a woman both drink at a party and have sex, she was in all likelihood raped since she could not give full legal consent. This made me confused because a woman who drinks and has sex is not responsible for her actions, but if that same woman gets into a car and drives it into someone else, causing a loss of life, she would be prosecuted and sent to jail. I couldn’t find an explanation for this inconsistency.

I also read that men must be taught not to rape, which means that they are all born with the capability to rape and have zero instinct to know that taking a woman with violence is improper. Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. It’s a miracle that more men have not raped their mothers, babysitters, and sisters before being taught in college that rape is actually not a good thing.

I knew from an early age that rape was bad, as was all forms of violence, not just against women but men as well. I also knew that killing, stealing, and having sexual interest in relatives was bad. I don’t remember if someone specifically taught me these rules, but I also don’t remember being taught that the sun rises and sets once a day, or that I will go splat if I jump off a tall building. I don’t know of a single man entering adulthood who thought that rape was good and had to be manually taught it was bad in order to stop him from raping, so when journalists and cultural commentators suggest that the best way to defeat rape culture is to teach men not to rape, I couldn’t possibly agree. I saw a different set of problems instead.

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”). It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property. I propose that we make the violent taking of a woman not punishable by law when done off public grounds.

The exception for public rape is aimed at those seedy and deranged men who randomly select their rape victims on alleys and jogging trails, but not as a mechanism to prevent those rapes, since the verdict is still out if punishment stops a committed criminal mind, but to have a way to keep them off the streets. For all other rapes, however, especially if done in a dwelling or on private property, any and all rape that happens should be completely legal.

If rape becomes legal under my proposal, a girl will protect her body in the same manner that she protects her purse and smartphone. If rape becomes legal, a girl will not enter an impaired state of mind where she can’t resist being dragged off to a bedroom with a man who she is unsure of—she’ll scream, yell, or kick at his attempt while bystanders are still around. If rape becomes legal, she will never be unchaperoned with a man she doesn’t want to sleep with. After several months of advertising this law throughout the land, rape would be virtually eliminated on the first day it is applied.

Without daddy government to protect her, a girl would absolutely not enter a private room with a man she doesn’t know or trust unless she is absolutely sure she is ready to sleep with him. Consent is now achieved when she passes underneath the room’s door frame, because she knows that that man can legally do anything he wants to her when it comes to sex. Bad encounters are sure to occur, but these can be learning experiences for the poorly trained woman so she can better identify in the future the type of good man who will treat her like the delicate flower that she believes she is. After only one such sour experience, she will actually want to get fully acquainted with a man for longer than two hours—perhaps even demanding to meet his parents—instead of letting a beer chug prevent her from making the correct decisions to protect her body.

The benefits of eradicating rape laws would extend to honest men who unfortunately now live in fear over imprisonment in the case the girl they had sex with had a blood alcohol level of 0.04 instead of 0.05 or some other arbitrary, untested, and made-up value that may imply consent was not fully achieved. There is no more having to guess the interpretation of a woman’s mixed signals or to artificially amp up her base emotions withclownish banter. Because women will never enter a man’s apartment without accepting that sex will happen, he can escort her to his bedroom and romantically consummate a relationship after it was certain he proved himself to be a good and decent man the woman fully trusted. My proposal eliminates anxiety and unfair persecution for men while empowering women to make adult decisions about their bodies.

It turns out that we don’t need more laws, policies, and university propaganda that treat every man like a criminal and every woman like a mild retardate—we need more common sense that can only come from making rape legal. Such a change will provide a mature jolt to American women who have been babied for too long, who are protected and coddled as if they have no agency or intellect of their own. If a woman is indeed a child then maybe we really need to keep promoting “rape culture” as a way to keep them safe, but if they are actual adults, which is often claimed, then we can start treating them like adults by allowing them to take responsibility for the things that happen to them which are easily preventable with barely a strain of cognitive thought, awareness, and self control.

Let’s make rape legal. Less women will be raped because they won’t voluntarily drug themselves with booze and follow a strange man into a bedroom, and less men will be unfairly jailed for what was anything but a maniacal alley rape. Until then, this devastating rape culture will continue, and women who we treat as children will continue to act like children.

I bolded the time he specifically mentioned intoxication.

Just as a quick aside, when he said Thankfully, a man only has to be told the phrase “rape is bad” at some point after puberty by an overweight feminist to definitively stop his future brutal and bloody rape career. , he didn't really mean that either, it was something he said to highlight that he meant the opposite of that,

 

[blueish swede]

They've got a secret code for those who want to attend the "tribal meetup" to stop any unfriendlies disrupting their meeting

"To identify your fellow tribesmen, ask the following question to a man you suspect is there for the meetup: “Do you know where I can find a pet shop?” If you are asked this question, answer in the affirmative: “Yes, it’s right here.” You can then introduce yourself and get details about where to proceed at 8:20. If you ask someone for the pet shop and they appear confused or actually try to direct you to a real pet shop, they’re not there for the meetup."

Great idea to post it on the interweb ;)

 

[NWISH]

This is a perfect time for some boondock saint style justice.

 

[BlueMojito]

Thought I'd misread the thread title or the OP had made an error. The world's gone fucking mad, and this is where the free speech line gets a bit blurred for me. How do cunts like these have the right to march/demonstrate/congregate?

Why are they not arrested for condoning sexual abuse? They should not be allowed to draw breath. In my home city, a scary world ☹

 

[Metalartin]

I had a feeling the headline would be misleading and written by an angry feminist, although he could well be a nutjob the law isn't actually perfect and I do think in this day and age there is huge bias against men within the law thanks to feminists, so I hope it isn't just a kneejerk reaction to pointing out some flaws in the justice system. I'm glad I don't have a son in his late teens for example because it's no longer safe for a young man to go out on the piss to a nightclub, get bladdered and take a girl back home for some sex.

Man wakes up the next day to a minger in his bed - reaction: "Shit, serves me right for getting so bladdered, I'm not gonna live this one down :("

Woman wakes up with the same regrets - reaction on some occasions possibly due to embarrassment or denial...? Do I really need to say it or do you see where I'm going with this? No man would dream of pointing the finger this way and if he did he would be laughed out of court and possibly fined.

Did anyone see that movie Regression recently? Based on true events, it's amazing how scared to use our heads we can be as society for fear of being perceived as a bad guy/woman. It may be that this guy is totally unreasonable and unsavory in what he is trying to say, I'm not going to bother reading it just wanted to say maybe somebody wanted stir up emotions with a sensational headline and all is not as it seems.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I had a feeling the headline would be misleading and written by an angry feminist, although he could well be a nutjob the law isn't actually perfect and I do think in this day and age there is huge bias against men within the law thanks to feminists, so I hope it isn't just a kneejerk reaction to pointing out some flaws in the justice system. I'm glad I don't have a son in his late teens for example because it's no longer safe for a young man to go out on the piss to a nightclub, get bladdered and take a girl back home for some sex.

Man wakes up the next day to a minger in his bed - reaction: "Shit, serves me right for getting so bladdered, I'm not gonna live this one down :("

Woman wakes up with the same regrets - reaction on some occasions possibly due to embarrassment or denial...? Do I really need to say it or do you see where I'm going with this? No man would dream of pointing the finger this way and if he did he would be laughed out of court and possibly fined.

Did anyone see that movie Regression recently? Based on true events, it's amazing how scared to use our heads we can be as society for fear of being perceived as a bad guy/woman. It may be that this guy is totally unreasonable and unsavory in what he is trying to say, I'm not going to bother reading it just wanted to say maybe somebody wanted stir up emotions with a sensational headline and all is not as it seems.

This typifies the new phenomenon of the wealthy white male victim. Despite the fact that wealth, power, the legal system and nearly every factor favours them they have created this myth of victimisation. A legal system that sees less than 1% of rapes convicted is biased against men? An economic system that sees men paid more than women and in most positions of power is biased against men. It is a phenomenon from right wing shock jocks in the US and is spreading around the world and some people actually believe it ... Bizarre.

Then the comment about not safe for a young man to take a girl home again utterly bizarre, it must happen tens if not hundreds of millions of times every week in the west and there are less than a handful of convictions that happen wrongfully, rape convictions are 1 in a 100 and for date rape a fraction. Of that .

 

[EalingBlue2]

I had a feeling the headline would be misleading and written by an angry feminist, although he could well be a nutjob the law isn't actually perfect and I do think in this day and age there is huge bias against men within the law thanks to feminists, so I hope it isn't just a kneejerk reaction to pointing out some flaws in the justice system. I'm glad I don't have a son in his late teens for example because it's no longer safe for a young man to go out on the piss to a nightclub, get bladdered and take a girl back home for some sex.

Man wakes up the next day to a minger in his bed - reaction: "Shit, serves me right for getting so bladdered, I'm not gonna live this one down :("

Woman wakes up with the same regrets - reaction on some occasions possibly due to embarrassment or denial...? Do I really need to say it or do you see where I'm going with this? No man would dream of pointing the finger this way and if he did he would be laughed out of court and possibly fined.

Did anyone see that movie Regression recently? Based on true events, it's amazing how scared to use our heads we can be as society for fear of being perceived as a bad guy/woman. It may be that this guy is totally unreasonable and unsavory in what he is trying to say, I'm not going to bother reading it just wanted to say maybe somebody wanted stir up emotions with a sensational headline and all is not as it seems.

Your last Part I can't disagree with as everything is sensationalised and twisted it is the way of the world and its why you need to make up your own mind. Having read a bit of the website I concluded he is just a loser man who has found a way to turn that into building a following and making money. His views are pretty much a take of those of ISIS ( on women) or hard line religious groups and like any cult leader he has found a niche.

The reason I would be against the sensationalism on this, against the media coverage, against people getting up in arms is that it plays into his hands and gives him the attention and exposure he wants. If he was ignored as the loser and denied oxygen that would be a better bet

 

[EalingBlue2]

It depends what he actually writes/preaches. Incitement to violence is a criminal offence, so anything that encourages men to commit rape or helps men get away with rape would be illegal. Beyond that, he can write whatever he wants and campaign for any changes in the law he wants. So yeah, there's no absolute right to free speech in the UK. The line is incitement to violence, which encouraging or enabling rape would clearly cross.

I don't think he is criminal in requesting to change law as he has been smart enough to request law change rather than to incite law breaking

 

[Metalartin]

This typifies the new phenomenon of the wealthy white male victim. Despite the fact that wealth, power, the legal system and nearly every factor favours them they have created this myth of victimisation. A legal system that sees less than 1% of rapes convicted is biased against men? An economic system that sees men paid more than women and in most positions of power is biased against men. It is a phenomenon from right wing shock jocks in the US and is spreading around the world and some people actually believe it ... Bizarre.

Then the comment about not safe for a young man to take a girl home again utterly bizarre, it must happen tens if not hundreds of millions of times every week in the west and there are less than a handful of convictions that happen wrongfully, rape convictions are 1 in a 100 and for date rape a fraction. Of that .

Typifies nothing of the sort mate you've gone off on different tangents there and grossly oversimplified things, are you simply building up to the typical "you're enabling rape" for questioning anything ? Lets get that out of the way, nobody is enabling rape or condoning it, its way more complicated than you are tying to convey and I think you know this. We need to keep innocent men safe(a feminist response to that is "there are no innocent men, they' re all c**ts" ha) from nutjobs as well as women safe from rapists, surely we should think about both?

The bias comment was actually alluding to the disparity in prison sentence lengths for the same crime between men and women, I suppose you could add race and rich and poor to the equation(which will also show disparity)but it's not relevant here.

How is it bizarre that alot of people question that if a woman gets herself so drunk that she cant remember the night before and wakes up to random men that she can claim it was "probably rape" and kneejerkers/daily mail readers will be all over it condemning the man not using an ounce of common sense? Rather than take responsibility and say they made a bad call got way too drunk and shagged a guy they probably wouldn't have done with a level head, its the kneejerkers like the above who are enabling people not to face the reality of their OWN actions(thankfully most women do know better than this but this is more of a "new phenomena" than anything you mentioned because in some parts the law has changed to allow more of it). It does happen and its disgusting when it does and no punishment is given to the perpetrator, this notion of a white male can never be a victim you alluded along with the american jock culture you tacked on is just... bizarre, it doesn't make you a better person or a more rational one buying into it. Like I said it's far more bizarre not thinking for yourself for fear of looking the wrong way(with a lot of men its a clear need to have how they WANT people to think of them validated that causes the kneejerk reaction, how many people looked at the headline and got outraged straight away? and how many reserved judgement or at least said I find that hard to believe?), most stats and quotes I see are regurgitated from unnamed sources with no evidence to back most of it up.

So this 1% (if we were to trust they have some meaning) of cases that couldn't be proven means that 99% have to have been miscarriages of justice purely because nobody was convicted? What percentage of them could be nutjob women or people not taking responsibility for their own mistakes? How many of those were punished? How would you know only a hand full were wrongfully convicted(again nothing to back that up) or how many rapes went unpunished? We dont know any of that is the problem we only know how many were thrown out and we dont know how many of the people still in jail who maintain they are are innocent are actually innocent. My whole point is it's simply not good enough to only look after one side of the equation, whats next changing laws to say if a woman's had more than two pints she can't consent to simply "up conviction percentages"?(every change made to the law should be in the interest of fairness and truth not some percentages) The aim should be to get to the real truth as often as possible, if a rape has taken place justice should be served if a nutjob or embarrassed truth bender is found out punish them properly because that destroys lives too.

Make a false claim in front of the courts and its supposed to be perversion of the course of justice which can land you a hefty prison sentence depending on the severity of it, yet barely any of the nutjob women get this. Instead saps make THEM the victim still "oh she's not all there fair enough, now dont you do that again you silly lady you..." do we do that for a guy when he breaks the law? "Oh he's nuts is he? Why didn't you say that sooner? Let him get off scott free then, poor fella" Nope. In some peoples eyes men can never be the victim, they see the world through tinted glasses... "oh look there's a nice woman she clearly cant be a bad person or be the one in the wrong"(yes because life's a pantomime where it's all villains and heroes that look the part to make it easy for you) unless they were ever on the receiving end there's simply no way of changing this mindset they are stuck in. You shouldn't have had to experience it before you get it, it's called putting yourself in someone else' shoes looking at more than one angle objectively.

Theres only one case I can remember where time was served for a false claim, where a woman was so embarrassed and ashamed she'd let two men spitroast her that not only did she report it as rape, but she let if go on long enough that they served months in prison through it, have their family affected, lost friends the things you'd expect until guilt finally got to her and she confessed. She got a measly sentence in the end, I'd bet she didn't serve most of it, we need to see more of this because it is very serious except the courts seem afraid to serve justice for fear of public outrage because of feminists and kneejerkers/daily mail readers. I suppose the men here aren't victims of anything either or their families that had to endure the whole ordeal?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

This typifies the new phenomenon of the wealthy white male victim. Despite the fact that wealth, power, the legal system and nearly every factor favours them they have created this myth of victimisation. A legal system that sees less than 1% of rapes convicted is biased against men? An economic system that sees men paid more than women and in most positions of power is biased against men. It is a phenomenon from right wing shock jocks in the US and is spreading around the world and some people actually believe it ... Bizarre.

Then the comment about not safe for a young man to take a girl home again utterly bizarre, it must happen tens if not hundreds of millions of times every week in the west and there are less than a handful of convictions that happen wrongfully, rape convictions are 1 in a 100 and for date rape a fraction. Of that .

Why are you assigning this to 'Wealthy white men?' What has been described here could apply to black labourers, Asian road sweepers,
or unemployed company directors. The economic system here prohibits discrimination against gender, the reasons that a lot of women earn less
are not because of some conspiracy within the business system, it would be interesting to discuss them on another thread.

 

[Damocles]

The economic system here prohibits discrimination against gender, the reasons that a lot of women earn less
are not because of some conspiracy within the business system, it would be interesting to discuss them on another thread.

Errr...not quite true.

There's an absolute boatload of studies done on this by people who spend their entire lives dedicated to this one metric, but there's something within those studies called the invisible gap. That is, when you equalise for social difference, educational differences, age differences, and all other things women still earn between 2% and 4% less than men for the same role.

This is climate change all over again. Nobody in academia who studies this actually argues that a gender wage discrimination doesn't exist because the invisible gap has never and can never be explained. Instead it's a study of how bad the problem is and those studies you see suggesting they earn 20% less or whatever are almost always nonsense. But the 2-4% gap really is real.

 

[worsleyweb]

Errr...not quite true.

There's an absolute boatload of studies done on this by people who spend their entire lives dedicated to this one metric, but there's something within those studies called the invisible gap. That is, when you equalise for social difference, educational differences, age differences, and all other things women still earn between 2% and 4% less than men for the same role.

This is climate change all over again. Nobody in academia who studies this actually argues that a gender wage discrimination doesn't exist because the invisible gap has never and can never be explained. Instead it's a study of how bad the problem is and those studies you see suggesting they earn 20% less or whatever are almost always nonsense. But the 2-4% gap really is real.

That's progress if it is only 2-4% 80 years ago they couldn't even vote.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Errr...not quite true.

There's an absolute boatload of studies done on this by people who spend their entire lives dedicated to this one metric, but there's something within those studies called the invisible gap. That is, when you equalise for social difference, educational differences, age differences, and all other things women still earn between 2% and 4% less than men for the same role.

This is climate change all over again. Nobody in academia who studies this actually argues that a gender wage discrimination doesn't exist because the invisible gap has never and can never be explained. Instead it's a study of how bad the problem is and those studies you see suggesting they earn 20% less or whatever are almost always nonsense. But the 2-4% gap really is real.

Yeah, I can accept that, and although the reasons behind this 2% and 4% are probably extremely obscure, my own take on
it leans towards the very real fundamentals of child bearing/care, and the need to have large working age gaps in a career.
What irks me is the constant stressing about equality, when inequality doesn't exactly leap out at you in this country. My daughter has
rocketed through her own career, through hard graft, whilst raising a child, and she's done it simply because she's better than the numerous males
around her.
Great analogy with climate change by the way.

 

[geoff clipp]

I had a feeling the headline would be misleading and written by an angry feminist, although he could well be a nutjob the law isn't actually perfect and I do think in this day and age there is huge bias against men within the law thanks to feminists, so I hope it isn't just a kneejerk reaction to pointing out some flaws in the justice system. I'm glad I don't have a son in his late teens for example because it's no longer safe for a young man to go out on the piss to a nightclub, get bladdered and take a girl back home for some sex.

Man wakes up the next day to a minger in his bed - reaction: "Shit, serves me right for getting so bladdered, I'm not gonna live this one down :("

Woman wakes up with the same regrets - reaction on some occasions possibly due to embarrassment or denial...? Do I really need to say it or do you see where I'm going with this? No man would dream of pointing the finger this way and if he did he would be laughed out of court and possibly fined.

Did anyone see that movie Regression recently? Based on true events, it's amazing how scared to use our heads we can be as society for fear of being perceived as a bad guy/woman. It may be that this guy is totally unreasonable and unsavory in what he is trying to say, I'm not going to bother reading it just wanted to say maybe somebody wanted stir up emotions with a sensational headline and all is not as it seems.

You don't really know what a feminist is do you? The vast majority of feminists are normal level headed people. Some feminists are men, some feminists are women. Being a feminist doesn't automatically make you "angry". Feminism involves believing that women should be granted basic political, social, and economic equality with men. Being a feminist doesn't involve hating men or thinking that all men are guilty of anything. It seems like you're holding on to some outdated, cartoonish portrayal of what feminists are. It's the equivalent of someone believing that all men are like Roosh V which is obviously absolute nonsense.

False rape claims are vile and something that needs to be discussed/dealt with. But let's not lose sight of the fact that it's far less common than rape itself. I never understand why some guys suddenly have such a strong opinion on the issue of false rape claims when they've never felt the need to pipe up about actual rape before. Both are disgusting. It's not a men vs women thing.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Typifies nothing of the sort mate you've gone off on different tangents there and grossly oversimplified things, are you simply building up to the typical "you're enabling rape" for questioning anything ? Lets get that out of the way, nobody is enabling rape or condoning it, its way more complicated than you are tying to convey and I think you know this. We need to keep innocent men safe(a feminist response to that is "there are no innocent men, they' re all c**ts" ha) from nutjobs as well as women safe from rapists, surely we should think about both?

The bias comment was actually alluding to the disparity in prison sentence lengths for the same crime between men and women, I suppose you could add race and rich and poor to the equation(which will also show disparity)but it's not relevant here.

How is it bizarre that alot of people question that if a woman gets herself so drunk that she cant remember the night before and wakes up to random men that she can claim it was "probably rape" and kneejerkers/daily mail readers will be all over it condemning the man not using an ounce of common sense? Rather than take responsibility and say they made a bad call got way too drunk and shagged a guy they probably wouldn't have done with a level head, its the kneejerkers like the above who are enabling people not to face the reality of their OWN actions(thankfully most women do know better than this but this is more of a "new phenomena" than anything you mentioned because in some parts the law has changed to allow more of it). It does happen and its disgusting when it does and no punishment is given to the perpetrator, this notion of a white male can never be a victim you alluded along with the american jock culture you tacked on is just... bizarre, it doesn't make you a better person or a more rational one buying into it. Like I said it's far more bizarre not thinking for yourself for fear of looking the wrong way(with a lot of men its a clear need to have how they WANT people to think of them validated that causes the kneejerk reaction, how many people looked at the headline and got outraged straight away? and how many reserved judgement or at least said I find that hard to believe?), most stats and quotes I see are regurgitated from unnamed sources with no evidence to back most of it up.

So this 1% (if we were to trust they have some meaning) of cases that couldn't be proven means that 99% have to have been miscarriages of justice purely because nobody was convicted? What percentage of them could be nutjob women or people not taking responsibility for their own mistakes? How many of those were punished? How would you know only a hand full were wrongfully convicted(again nothing to back that up) or how many rapes went unpunished? We dont know any of that is the problem we only know how many were thrown out and we dont know how many of the people still in jail who maintain they are are innocent are actually innocent. My whole point is it's simply not good enough to only look after one side of the equation, whats next changing laws to say if a woman's had more than two pints she can't consent to simply "up conviction percentages"?(every change made to the law should be in the interest of fairness and truth not some percentages) The aim should be to get to the real truth as often as possible, if a rape has taken place justice should be served if a nutjob or embarrassed truth bender is found out punish them properly because that destroys lives too.

Make a false claim in front of the courts and its supposed to be perversion of the course of justice which can land you a hefty prison sentence depending on the severity of it, yet barely any of the nutjob women get this. Instead saps make THEM the victim still "oh she's not all there fair enough, now dont you do that again you silly lady you..." do we do that for a guy when he breaks the law? "Oh he's nuts is he? Why didn't you say that sooner? Let him get off scott free then, poor fella" Nope. In some peoples eyes men can never be the victim, they see the world through tinted glasses... "oh look there's a nice woman she clearly cant be a bad person or be the one in the wrong"(yes because life's a pantomime where it's all villains and heroes that look the part to make it easy for you) unless they were ever on the receiving end there's simply no way of changing this mindset they are stuck in. You shouldn't have had to experience it before you get it, it's called putting yourself in someone else' shoes looking at more than one angle objectively.

Theres only one case I can remember where time was served for a false claim, where a woman was so embarrassed and ashamed she'd let two men spitroast her that not only did she report it as rape, but she let if go on long enough that they served months in prison through it, have their family affected, lost friends the things you'd expect until guilt finally got to her and she confessed. She got a measly sentence in the end, I'd bet she didn't serve most of it, we need to see more of this because it is very serious except the courts seem afraid to serve justice for fear of public outrage because of feminists and kneejerkers/daily mail readers. I suppose the men here aren't victims of anything either or their families that had to endure the whole ordeal?

I won't deny action needs to be taken on people making fake accusations but the legal situation and all academic studies would suggest this is incredibly rate whilst barely 1% of rapes get a conviction. I have to say the balance is still hugely in favour of a rapist getting away with it than someone getting wrongly convicted by a huge factor.

 

[EalingBlue2]

You don't really know what a feminist is do you? The vast majority of feminists are normal level headed people. Some feminists are men, some feminists are women. Being a feminist doesn't automatically make you "angry". Feminism involves believing that women should be granted basic political, social, and economic equality with men. Being a feminist doesn't involve hating men or thinking that all men are guilty of anything. It seems like you're holding on to some outdated, cartoonish portrayal of what feminists are. It's the equivalent of someone believing that all men are like Roosh V which is obviously absolute nonsense.

False rape claims are vile and something that needs to be discussed/dealt with. But let's not lose sight of the fact that it's far less common than rape itself. I never understand why some guys suddenly have such a strong opinion on the issue on false rape claims when they've never felt the need to pipe up about actual rape before. Both are disgusting. It's not a men vs women thing.

Very good post and bang on!

 

[EalingBlue2]

Why are you assigning this to 'Wealthy white men?' What has been described here could apply to black labourers, Asian road sweepers,
or unemployed company directors. The economic system here prohibits discrimination against gender, the reasons that a lot of women earn less
are not because of some conspiracy within the business system, it would be interesting to discuss them on another thread.

The phenomenon exists that I mention because it is a fear of unfairness or victimisation from people clearly not overall victims. I think it's fair to say I'm many countries black labourers and Asian road sweepers will have been faced with prejudice and issues that wealthy middle class white men won't have . But rush and Beck aided by fox created the role of the wealthy white middle class male victim and the post a few pages to me read like that. Poor men we can't even pull a girl anymore or it's false accusations and prison.

 

[bumbleblue]

You don't really know what a feminist is do you? The vast majority of feminists are normal level headed people. Some feminists are men, some feminists are women. Being a feminist doesn't automatically make you "angry". Feminism involves believing that women should be granted basic political, social, and economic equality with men. Being a feminist doesn't involve hating men or thinking that all men are guilty of anything. It seems like you're holding on to some outdated, cartoonish portrayal of what feminists are. It's the equivalent of someone believing that all men are like Roosh V which is obviously absolute nonsense.

False rape claims are vile and something that needs to be discussed/dealt with. But let's not lose sight of the fact that it's far less common than rape itself. I never understand why some guys suddenly have such a strong opinion on the issue of false rape claims when they've never felt the need to pipe up about actual rape before. Both are disgusting. It's not a men vs women thing.

Spot on for me this.

 

[Rammyblues]

Anyone attending should be locked up on a conspiracy charge, when do we get that referendum on hanging or is that too good for the bastards.