Keir Starmer

[jay_mcfc]

Labour really need someone with a closet without skeletons now and someone who’s left but not as much as Corbyn and McDonnell. Someone to unite the socialists and Blairites.

Definitely but the problem is the next leader will be decided by Momentum. A bad state of affairs.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Andy Burnham will be groomed for the next election

Hope so - he needs to fuck off from Gtr Manchester. Only trouble is that we'll probably end up with that FOC Tony Lloyd as mayor.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yes, always. I care about my country, believe it or not I even care about those who voted for clowns like Johnson and Gove. I care deeply and it hurts that our great country is run by twats who couldn't give two fucks about the working class.

I fear for everyone, our nation is going to struggle on, kids will still go hungry and be schooled poorly, people will still be homeless and everyone will suffer under the jackboot of extreme neo-liberalism.

The one saving grace is that by leaving the EU, there is now real hope at some time in the future we can have a Socialist utopia free of the neo-liberalist diktat of the capitalists.

I felt much the same when Ted Heath was elected, Rascal. I was indignant with fury that he had conned his way into No10. I got over it! I have arrived at the point where I think it doesn't matter who gets into No10 - a red tinged canute or a blue tinged one - they are still a canute!

 

[Gabriel]

Save for an enormous economic jolt, which isn't an impossibility, the next Labour leader is unlikely to be able to overturn that majority in five years, so it's not an attractive proposition for any future leader,

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Leave them to it, the more they carry on with this the more they turn people away from their ideology.

The strange thing is they just don't get that constantly calling people thick and saying they've not got minds of their own and have been conned by the media is incredibly offensive and counter-productive.

I think it's the ideology that turns people off not the choice of words. This idea that we can't hear their message because we are being controlled by the rich and powerful. We know that we are, it's always been like that, but the only way to break that is revolution but that only results in an alternative set of rich and powerful.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Save for an enormous economic jolt, which isn't an impossibility, the next Labour leader is unlikely to be able to overturn that majority in five years, so it's not an attractive proposition for any future leader,

Based on previous times I would agree but with Brexit looming who knows what the next few years will bring. Just ten years ago the SNP had just 6 seats and now they're entrenched so things can move quickly in this day and age. Labour's issue is how, based on one member one vote, did an idealistic and controversial candidate become Labour leader, a person so at odds with the majority of his own party. They need to address this to win back the trust of those that have deserted. Their policies are probably fine once you airbrush out the mad bits, but voters won't trust a party that could replace a reasonable leader with a crackpot at any time. Their cheap membership scheme was madness as it brought in the start of their demise by allowing Ed Milliband over his brother.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Based on previous times I would agree but with Brexit looming who knows what the next few years will bring. Just ten years ago the SNP had just 6 seats and now they're entrenched so things can move quickly in this day and age. Labour's issue is how, based on one member one vote, did an idealistic and controversial candidate become Labour leader, a person so at odds with the majority of his own party. They need to address this to win back the trust of those that have deserted. Their policies are probably fine once you airbrush out the mad bits, but voters won't trust a party that could replace a reasonable leader with a crackpot at any time. Their cheap membership scheme was madness as it brought in the start of their demise by allowing Ed Milliband over his brother.

Moderate Labour MPs seconded the nomination on the basis that they wanted 'a proper contest' - a leader election that wasn't a formality, and once he had the twenty signatures, the cat was out of the bag!

 

[robbieh]

In Spain the equivalent of Momentum formed their own party, Podemos. And after a strong start they now poll around 18%. Which under PR means they are currently trying to form a coalition with the Spanish Labour party.

I did think that my political views were best served by the freak events that led to a Corbyn led Labour party. Now that is over.

However unless we adopt PR, highly unlikely now, a break away Left wing party will suffer the same fate as the Greens, Brexit parties. i.e. plenty of votes, no seats.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

Angela Rayner for me please

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I don't know if anyone's posted it, but this rant basically sums it up.



You have to click and read the whole thing

 

[Fame Monster]

You can go more to the left than Blair and have a chance.

Ed Miliband’s policies would have a chance, if the person leading it was less of a geek.

This is what Labour needs to be.

There's a lot to be learned from Blair (especially his 1997 win) but there's no point in becoming a Blairite party when we've had Conservative govs since then that have been more left-wing.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This is what Labour needs to be.

There's a lot to be learned from Blair (especially his 1997 win) but there's no point in becoming a Blairite party when we've had Conservative govs since then that have been more left-wing.

In what respect?

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Doesn’t really matter. Labour are finished!

A new party needs to come out of this “The People’s Democratic Centre Left Party” for want of a better name.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Save for an enormous economic jolt, which isn't an impossibility, the next Labour leader is unlikely to be able to overturn that majority in five years, so it's not an attractive proposition for any future leader,

Not sure on that. BoJo has promised the deliverable (40 new hospitals and 50k more nurses are a guaranteed failure).

Whatever the working class brexit voters expect to happen post brexit won't happen. We will be lucky to escape a recession and the kind of sectors that will get hit (manufacturing / farming) and potential price rises will not go down well.

Brexit will not be a driver at the next GE - the fall out will. In the same way that a lot of voters moved this time they will be up for grabs again.

The question is to what extent do the Tories set out to mitigate (soft brexit / spend more on public services) or do they just crack on doing what they always do and looking to reduce the size of the state and cut taxes. If they make a move for the center ground then yes a tough task for Labour but all the moderates have left party.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Angela Rayner for me please

Hold on, worst Labour leader since 1935 and followed by a ginger. Now why does that sound familiar?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

In Spain the equivalent of Momentum formed their own party, Podemos. And after a strong start they now poll around 18%. Which under PR means they are currently trying to form a coalition with the Spanish Labour party.

I did think that my political views were best served by the freak events that led to a Corbyn led Labour party. Now that is over.

However unless we adopt PR, highly unlikely now, a break away Left wing party will suffer the same fate as the Greens, Brexit parties. i.e. plenty of votes, no seats.

Whatever the system we should not be electing MPs on a minority vote of those who bother to vote. I wonder how many have been. We need a system where MPs are elected on the majority, however that arrived at!

 

[whp.blue]

Corbyn has said he will over see the inquest and review of what policies Labour will take forward.
I look forward to voting once again for a LWNJ as party leader.

 

[Gabriel]

Not sure on that. BoJo has promised the deliverable (40 new hospitals and 50k more nurses are a guaranteed failure).

Whatever the working class brexit voters expect to happen post brexit won't happen. We will be lucky to escape a recession and the kind of sectors that will get hit (manufacturing / farming) and potential price rises will not go down well.

Brexit will not be a driver at the next GE - the fall out will. In the same way that a lot of voters moved this time they will be up for grabs again.

The question is to what extent do the Tories set out to mitigate (soft brexit / spend more on public services) or do they just crack on doing what they always do and looking to reduce the size of the state and cut taxes. If they make a move for the center ground then yes a tough task for Labour but all the moderates have left party.

Agree with your points on Brexit, and as I said, an economic jolt is likely, and we can never predict its consequences. Think you'll see the Johnson shift the Conservatives to the middle, but simply based on arithmetic, I cannot see any prospective Labour leader looking at the next five years and seeing it as anything but an interim position.

 

[whp.blue]

Whatever the system we should not be electing MPs on a minority vote of those who bother to vote. I wonder how many have been. We need a system where MPs are elected on the majority, however that arrived at!

That voting system is no better the Brexit vote proved that.
That system also Elects extremists and leads to a constantly hung Parliament
which would be terrible for the Country, look what coalition governments did for Italy.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Hillary Benn ?? I think he would tick many voters boxes