Keir Starmer

Chippy_boy said:
His inability to "read the room" is beyond amazing. He's the most unpopular PM in history - arguably one of the most unpopular people in the country, in or out of politics.

And yet instead of thinking ok the game is up, and going with some dignity, he is still under the illusion that he can survive this and fight the next general election.

He is almost Trump-like in his inability to recognise his own failings.
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Such short memory. Johnson and Truss applaud your post
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think Starmer is pretty much done now, and will likely be gone by the conference season.

Seems implausible that he wasn’t told, but even so, as Abbott pointed out yesterday, his lack of curiosity was grossly negligent at best. Reckon he’s now lost the support of the PLP.

Assume it will be Rayner who replaces him, although Burnham has to be in with a shout if an MP falls on their sword for him. Be interesting to see how that affects our relationship with Trump - can’t see Rayner kowtowing like Starmer has done at times.
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I'd never been sure about Rayner but in these crazy times and where the UK sits within them, she would be as good as anyone else plus it would shake off those Islington shackles.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Think Starmer is pretty much done now, and will likely be gone by the conference season.

Seems implausible that he wasn’t told, but even so, as Abbott pointed out yesterday, his lack of curiosity was grossly negligent at best. Reckon he’s now lost the support of the PLP.

Assume it will be Rayner who replaces him, although Burnham has to be in with a shout if an MP falls on their sword for him. Be interesting to see how that affects our relationship with Trump - can’t see Rayner kowtowing like Starmer has done at times.
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Great. Replacing an incompetent with a tax evader - Just what the country needs.

Streeting would be OK but if I could pick a Labour politician it would be Dan Javis whom I admire and think would make a fantastic PM.
 
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just what we need in a time of global war. A change in leadership.
He has been grossly negligent but is a beginner when compared to the grossly negligent cunts that preceded him.
I guess we get the politicians we deserve.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
just what we need in a time of global war. A change in leadership.
He has been grossly negligent but is a beginner when compared to the grossly negligent cunts that preceded him.
I guess we get the politicians we deserve.
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This actually shows how toxic Donald Trump is. Everything he is associated with, is, or turns rotten. The appointment was made entirely because of him being in the White House.

I personally think Starmer had to try with Trump, and the current direction of travel with Trump, whilst highly predictable, was not inevitable. And the appointment of Mandleson made some sense at the time, even though I was personally outraged at some of the comments Mandleson made at the time.

However, it’s a gamble that has failed and there are consequences to that.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This actually shows how toxic Donald Trump is. Everything he is associated with, is, or turns rotten. The appointment was made entirely because of him being in the White House.

I personally think Starmer had to try with Trump, and the current direction of travel with Trump, whilst highly predictable, was not inevitable. And the appointment of Mandleson made some sense at the time, even though I was personally outraged at some of the comments Mandleson made at the time.

However, it’s a gamble that has failed and there are consequences to that.
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Can't disagree but what an unholy mess. Why the fuck he didn't at least wait until the results of vetting were known only he can say. I actually think he has handled Trump and the approach to Iraq as well as anyone could be expected but this may well be one cock-up too far.
 
Starmer like Johnson and Trump surrounded himself with people who helped him get elected to PM. Lammy should be investigated he put the pressure on Robbins
Robbins Number 10 has a dismissive approach to vetting an “atmosphere of pressure around vetting” he was told it’s a borderline case he’s never seen the form with the red box ticked. An atmosphere of get the job done. By Morgan Macsweeney?
 
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Chippy_boy said:
His inability to "read the room" is beyond amazing. He's the most unpopular PM in history - arguably one of the most unpopular people in the country, in or out of politics.

And yet instead of thinking ok the game is up, and going with some dignity, he is still under the illusion that he can survive this and fight the next general election.

He is almost Trump-like in his inability to recognise his own failings.
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Think he knows there is no obvious replacement, particularly with no Burnham in the HoC
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Can't disagree but what an unholy mess. Why the fuck he didn't at least wait until the results of vetting were known only he can say. I actually think he has handled Trump and the approach to Iraq as well as anyone could be expected but this may well be one cock-up too far.
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And whilst not relevent at this moment in time, who in the tories, reform would have dealt with the problems that Trump presents ?

Doesn't bear thinking about imo
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
That’s our wanky system.

How do you feel about Tice’s tax affairs?
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Not great, but really, it is standard company shenanigans with the UK tax authorities.
Accountants try and limit tax liability. HMRC take Uxbridge and demand money with menaces, the company accountants counter attack - a compromise is reached, a fine is applied, or it goes to court.
We're currently in the middle of that process with Tice.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This actually shows how toxic Donald Trump is. Everything he is associated with, is, or turns rotten. The appointment was made entirely because of him being in the White House.

I personally think Starmer had to try with Trump, and the current direction of travel with Trump, whilst highly predictable, was not inevitable. And the appointment of Mandleson made some sense at the time, even though I was personally outraged at some of the comments Mandleson made at the time.

However, it’s a gamble that has failed and there are consequences to that.
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Yes I agree with this. If Im honest, I thought at the time that it was quite a good idea putting Mandelson in that job. He is a schmoozer and an insider and Lord and all the things that could have appealed to Trump and they were getting along well, because they are both cunts cut from the same cloth. It goes to the issue of how much the malign influence of Epstein has had
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
Yes I agree with this. If Im honest, I thought at the time that it was quite a good idea putting Mandelson in that job. He is a schmoozer and an insider and Lord and all the things that could have appealed to Trump and they were getting along well, because they are both cunts cut from the same cloth. It goes to the issue of how much the malign influence of Epstein has had
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I’m struggling to think of any non-politician who has had more impact on political events than that **** - and from beyond the grave as well. He’s created absolute fucking mayhem.
 
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