Keir Starmer

[Fame Monster]

But most polls and surveys say people are in favour of renationalisation of railways and water.
Universal credit has been a comete fuck up and the NHS and education is becoming more private under each tory parliament.

Focus on the socialist policies that people are in favour of and restoring communites.

Post 2008 returning to neo-liberal/third way economics of new labour would be a bad idea, the world has moved on.

One commitment should be extended devolution, parliament is antiquated and should be replaced, we need an English parliament to run alongside scotland, NI and wales is and then a council of representatives of each country with a revolving prime minister with this council representing the UK.


As for the leadership, gibbering bitter old cunts like roy hattersley commenting is no help to anyone.

The ideas on renationalisation were popular, I agree, but the money it would theoretically save the taxpayer is small and those ideas need to be couched in a wider ideal of economic responsibility. Binning off 'austerity' to that extent (i.e. running a huge overspend on ordinary budgets) is madness and so much of the manifesto spending on free broadband, free prescriptions, free dental care, free tuition fees, WASPE payments came across as non-credible, non-productive giveaways that would have plunged the country into an enormous deficit again.

There's plenty of bad things in this country and I loathe the way state spending was slashed under Osborne in favour of tax cuts for the wealthiest but all things told, we're still one of the richest countries in the world and I don't think people want to risk that with radicalist, expensive ideas - especially bound up with a West-hating ideology. I think there are problems but I think people would prefer solutions that are affordable and credible, put forward by a party that seems to care about the country.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's come to this has it mate.
It's been a long way down for you.

At least I had somewhere to fall from and wasn’t in the gutter to begin with.

You know this to be true. Just look at the map of constituencies now.

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Unbelievably, Clive Lewis is putting himself forward and he appears to be a bigger nutter than Corbyn. He wants the membership to make all policy decisions for starters. See what you think by reading his pitch in the Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/19/im-standing-labour-leader-clive-lewis

 

[Tanzeylee]

Won’t happen I’ve mentioned him a few times and I know you have been banging the drum for ages. It’s the right choice but

He is too bright
He doesn’t have a vagina
He doesn’t look like the woman at the meat counter at Middleton Asda
He’s not wearing a flat cap
He’s not shouty enough so simple Northern folk will see this as uncaring
He doesn’t say misogyny and social justice every other word

Middleton hasn't got an Asda but apart from that everything else is where he falls down as the next LP leader

 

[hilts]

Unbelievably, Clive Lewis is putting himself forward and he appears to be a bigger nutter than Corbyn. He wants the membership to make all policy decisions for starters. See what you think by reading his pitch in the Guardian..

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/19/im-standing-labour-leader-clive-lewis

Wants rid of fptp and says the majority of voters are to the left of the Tories. He must have been reading my posts the cheeky sod:-) I said they should go for him but don’t think they will. He would probably get my vote.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Wants rid of fptp and says the majority of voters are to the left of the Tories.

I think he'd be better off focusing on the fact that the majority of voters are to the right of where he is, rather than worrying about the other side, over which he has no control or influence.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think you are missing the point Labour lost on brexiit and Corbun. Far too many people like yourself want to throw the baby out of the bath water and go back to blairism. It's never going to work start with the basics strong leadership and a strategy

Staggeringly ironic.

What's never going to work is sticking with 1970's politics in 2020 and beyond. Did you not notice the shipyards closing, the mines closing, the steelworks closing? Did you not notice the hightech startups, the Japanese style of management-worker collaborative no-strike agreements? The booming FS and services sectors?

But carry on by all means and we'll be in office forever.

 

[hilts]

I think he'd be better off focusing on the fact that the majority of voters are to the right of where he is, rather than worrying about the other side, over which he has no control or influence.

In fairness the fact most voters are to the left of the Tories is pretty important in determining what one should do. But will Labour pick him and will he use that obvious fact to their advantage? Probably not.

 

[Chippy_boy]

In fairness the fact most voters are to the left of the Tories is pretty important in determining what one should do. But will Labour pick him and will he use that obvious fact to their advantage? Probably not.

I think the political spectrum looks a bit like this:

Easier to draw it than talk about it. Blair was closer to the mood of the public than any leader in the past 20+ years and had majorities which prove it. Nandy and Starmer - with their own policies - would give Johnson a good run. Phillips as well possibly. RLB and Rayner are fucked. I meant to put Lewis on the chart as well but forgot. I'd put him next to RLB. Fucked.

 

[west didsblue]

I think the political spectrum looks a bit like this:

Easier to draw it than talk about it. Blair was closer to the mood of the public than any leader in the past 20+ years and had majorities which prove it. Nandy and Starmer - with their own policies - would give Johnson a good run. Phillips as well possibly. RLB and Rayner are fucked. I meant to put Lewis on the chart as well but forgot. I'd put him next to RLB. Fucked.

Is there room to the right of Redwood and Francois for Mogg and yourself?