Kelechi Iheanacho - 2016/17 Performances

[domalino]

Well there you go, maybe I'm just parroting media driven bullshit, maybe you are a member of the Cult of Pep FC and are deluded. Maybe it's neither, maybe we just have different opinions. I watch us every week and I know what I see, I don't expect you to agree with me on anything and that's fine, after all we all perceive the game differently. I realise that all successful clubs have a preferred way of playing but I also think plenty of them are able to win matches in different ways if need be. If you don't think Pep is absolutely devoted to certain principles of playing football then I'm surprised. The club itself (Soriano was it?) has stated certain principles in terms of way of playing football that we must stick to and presumably brought Pep in because he buys fully into those principles. What is that if it isn't dogmatic, idealisitic and without compromise? Only my opinion though, it's nice that you have *the* truth though.

So that's a no, you can't define it then?

And yes it's *the* truth that all of the best sides in Europe are committed to a single style of play because it's not a matter of opinion. Ancelotti isn't changing things weekly at bayern, Allegri has had the same exact style of play for 2 years at Juventus, Barcelona have been the same for 10 years, Monaco are absolutely dedicated to their style - Chelsea are completely dedicated to their way of playing too.

Can you name a single team that actually has a manager flip-flopping between different styles of play?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Just throwing on more strikers doesn't mean better finishing or more goals FFS. If that's really what you believe than I give up. Perhaps we should have kept Bony too and played 3, as that would have gotten us more goals.

Haha of course not but hes prepared to do it with Jesus and Aguero against boro. Just wasnt prepared to give kelechi that same oportunity. What bit of that are you struggling with?

Two games in last ten we have won in case you missed that fact.

Give it up domalino you have lost this one im affraid.

Sadly Pep doesnt rate young kelechi so he might as well move on. Perhaps if he ran arround more with no end product like a headless chicken ala navas or learnt to pass the ball endlessly sideways he would still be in with a chance lol.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

So that's a no, you can't define it then?

Emphasis very much on possession to an extreme degree and high line defence. That is how I would define what I have seen.

 

[domalino]

Haha of course not but hes prepared to do it with Jesus and Aguero against boro. Just wasnt prepared to give kelechi that same oportunity. What bit of that are you struggling with?

You mean apart from when Pep played Iheanacho and Aguero together vs. Southampton?

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Haha,this thread is comical.

Kelechi is a young lad with potential but also an awful lot to learn.He isnt currently good enough to be a starting player,as the opportunities he has been given have seen him largely anonymous.We have superior players who are keeping him out of the team,thats not Pep's fault.....its just the way it is......and no manager is going to change that just to appease a few unrealistic and hyperbolic supporters.

Those suggesting he is better than Rashford or Mbappe need to wake up,he really doesnt have their qualities at this moment in time and he certainly wouldnt be keeping them out of their respective sides.Hopefully we can find a suitable club willing to take him on loan where he can blossom into the kind of forward many predicted.

PeP FC....?? lol,do fuck off.

Kelechi over the past 2 years has shown enough that he should be entitled to some game time, far more than he has been given. When I say this, I compare him to some others in the team that have put in a number of turd performances but keep being given chances. I love Sane, but lets not kid ourselves, he put in more dire performances in the 1st 6 months he was at the club than Kelechi has in 2 seasons, yet he wasn't just cast aside. Sterling was horrendous last season and continues to please and infuriate in equal measures this year but still gets chances in the side. KDB over the past couple of months has been distinctly average in a number of games. Don't even get me started on Navas. So there we have 4 attacking players who have had a mixed bag of a season, yet all continue to get regular game time. Kelechi on the other hand gets minimal time on the pitch no matter what he does when he is on it. Coincidentally he just so happens to be the one we didn't pay any money for.

I am not saying Kelechi should be replacing any of the above on a regular basis, but I am sick of our manager bemoaning our finishing time and time again and yet never turns to the guy on the bench who scores goals for fun.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Kelechi over the past 2 years has shown enough that he should be entitled to some game time, far more than he has been given. When I say this, I compare him to some others in the team that have put in a number of turd performances but keep being given chances. I love Sane, but lets not kid ourselves, he put in more dire performances in the 1st 6 months he was at the club than Kelechi has in 2 seasons, yet he wasn't just cast aside. Sterling was horrendous last season and continues to please and infuriate in equal measures this year but still gets chances in the side. KDB over the past couple of months has been distinctly average in a number of games. Don't even get me started on Navas. So there we have 4 attacking players who have had a mixed bag of a season, yet all continue to get regular game time. Kelechi on the other hand gets minimal time on the pitch no matter what he does when he is on it. Coincidentally he just so happens to be the one we didn't pay any money for.

I am not saying Kelechi should be replacing any of the above on a regular basis, but I am sick of our manager bemoaning our finishing time and time again and yet never turns to the guy on the bench who scores goals for fun.

Precisely this!

 

[domalino]

Emphasis very much on possession to an extreme degree and high line defence. That is how I would define what I have seen.

Wow, could you be more vague? You've only described half the managers in Europe.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

And yes it's *the* truth that all of the best sides in Europe are committed to a single style of play because it's not a matter of opinion. Ancelotti isn't changing things weekly at bayern, Allegri has had the same exact style of play for 2 years at Juventus, Barcelona have been the same for 10 years, Monaco are absolutely dedicated to their style - Chelsea are completely dedicated to their way of playing too.

Can you name a single team that actually has a manager flip-flopping between different styles of play?

It isn't about flip flopping constantly between different ways of playing, it is about having alternatives, on occasion, when there is a need. Most good teams can play pretty stuff when they want, mix it up physically if they are in a battle or are prepared to sit in deep and soak up pressure when they have to. Christ even Wenger who has sacrificed winning things for years because he is so intransigent throws on a big striker from time to time. I do honestly think Pep sticks to specific principles more than most managers, I think he is incredibly intransigent. I think that is what makes him what he is and is exactly why the club wanted him.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Kelechi over the past 2 years has shown enough that he should be entitled to some game time, far more than he has been given. When I say this, I compare him to some others in the team that have put in a number of turd performances but keep being given chances. I love Sane, but lets not kid ourselves, he put in more dire performances in the 1st 6 months he was at the club than Kelechi has in 2 seasons, yet he wasn't just cast aside. Sterling was horrendous last season and continues to please and infuriate in equal measures this year but still gets chances in the side. KDB over the past couple of months has been distinctly average in a number of games. Don't even get me started on Navas. So there we have 4 attacking players who have had a mixed bag of a season, yet all continue to get regular game time. Kelechi on the other hand gets minimal time on the pitch no matter what he does when he is on it. Coincidentally he just so happens to be the one we didn't pay any money for.

I am not saying Kelechi should be replacing any of the above on a regular basis, but I am sick of our manager bemoaning our finishing time and time again and yet never turns to the guy on the bench who scores goals for fun.

He has generally scored tap ins and contributed little else.I just dont see the player youre describing and obviously,neither do the management team.As for the players you mention above,thats the usual apples and oranges stuff.

Hopefully,i'm proved wrong when he moves on this summer,and he comes back a player Pep cant ignore.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

You mean apart from when Pep played Iheanacho and Aguero together vs. Southampton?

Haha, when was that back in Oct wasnt it? That one chance they had to develop a partnership lol and we were doing better then wernt we ? Taking our chances more ? Since then its fair to say we have been missing chances left right and centre and been knocked out of everything or have i got that wrong too?

 

[cadds92]

It will be a sale with a buy-back, that's my thinking.

We need the money for the transfer kitty.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

He has generally scored tap ins and contributed little else.I just dont see the player youre describing and obviously,neither do the management team.As for the players you mention above,thats the usual apples and oranges stuff.

Hopefully,i'm proved wrong when he moves on this summer,and he comes back a player Pep cant ignore.

No one would argue with his lack of game time if Peps alternative style of play and players picked was working but it hasnt been has it? ! Hes cocked up and made mistakes he admitted it a few weeks back. His management of Kelechi is just another one im affraid. 2 wins in 10!

 

[domalino]

I love Sane, but lets not kid ourselves, he put in more dire performances in the 1st 6 months he was at the club than Kelechi has in 2 seasons, yet he wasn't just cast aside.

Which performances were those?

Sterling was horrendous last season and continues to please and infuriate in equal measures this year but still gets chances in the side.

I imagine that's got something to do with his 10 goals and 20 assists this season...

KDB over the past couple of months has been distinctly average in a number of games. Don't even get me started on Navas.

KDB is playing because Gundogan is injured, and Navas because both RB's were injured....would you want to see Kelechi at right back instead?

I am not saying Kelechi should be replacing any of the above on a regular basis, but I am sick of our manager bemoaning our finishing time and time again and yet never turns to the guy on the bench who scores goals for fun.

...But Kelechi has been just as guilty at missing chances. He missed multiple in the league cup derby, he missed plenty in the Bucharest game, the Everton 1-1, even in the OT derby he missed a bunch of chances to kill off the game.

He started the season with Pep's confidence, he got thrown straight into the OT derby, and lost his place over the course of Aguero's suspension with bad performances.

 

[domalino]

Haha, when was that back in Oct wasnt it? That one chance they had to develop a partnership lol and we were doing better then wernt we ? Taking our chances more ? Since then its fair to say we have been missing chances left right and centre and been knocked out of everything or have i got that wrong too?

So he's had 1 chance, the same as Gabriel Jesus has had 1 chance to play with Aguero? But hang on, you just said he'd never gotten a chance?

We've been missing chances true, nothing Iheanacho has done this season suggests he wouldn't have missed them, or that we'd have gotten through those games with him on.

 

[FantasyIreland]

No one would argue with his lack of game time if Peps alternative style of play and players picked was working but it hasnt been has it? ! Hes cocked up and made mistakes he admitted it a few weeks back. His management of Kelechi is just another one im affraid. 2 wins in 10!

I just see,irrespective of rationale,its just another stick to beat the boss.

If thats your thing,i'm gonne leave you to it while i look forward him proving he and his team know far better than any of us.

 

[OrigamiNinja]

He has generally scored tap ins and contributed little else.I just dont see the player youre describing and obviously,neither do the management team.As for the players you mention above,thats the usual apples and oranges stuff.

Hopefully,i'm proved wrong when he moves on this summer,and he comes back a player Pep cant ignore.

How many times this season would we have appreciated someone in the side that could score a tap in? We all loved him when he did it at United or when he kept us top of the league against Southampton. For me, he should be playing in a lot of the home games, where the opposition stick 11 behind the ball and play for a 0-0.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

So he's had 1 chance, the same as Gabriel Jesus has had 1 chance to play with Aguero? But hang on, you just said he'd never gotten a chance?

We've been missing chances true, nothing Iheanacho has done this season suggests he wouldn't have missed them, or that we'd have gotten through those games with him on.

Jesus has been fit to start for something like 5 matches and has been paired with Aguero in one of them. Kelechi has been fit for most of the season and has been paired with him once. I don't think you can compare the two situations like that tbh.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

So he's had 1 chance, the same as Gabriel Jesus has had 1 chance to play with Aguero? But hang on, you just said he'd never gotten a chance?

We've been missing chances true, nothing Iheanacho has done this season suggests he wouldn't have missed them, or that we'd have gotten through those games with him on.

Haha no problem. Its clear you dont rate him and dont think we could have done with him the last five months, fair enough thats your opinion.

I think otherwise and rate the young lad I think we could have given him more oportunities especially as we have been missing chances but thats just mine opinion.

Good debate but clearly no point in discussing further.

 

[domalino]

Haha no problem. Its clear you dont rate him and dont think we could have done with him the last five months, fair enough thats your opinion.

I think otherwise and rate the young lad I think we could have given him more oportunities especially as we have been missing chances but thats just mine opinion.

Good debate but clearly no point in discussing further.

Actually I do rate him, I rate him incredibly highly and not just as a finisher. The difference between us is I'm not so blinkered and hellbent on blaming everything on the manager. Kelechi isn't the answer to all of our problems, hasn't looked comfortable in the team when given starts and could do with a loan somewhere he can have time to learn how to play the way we do. If he can do that, and Hoffenheim would be the perfect place for it, then he could be an incredibly good player for us in the future, under Guardiola.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I just see,irrespective of rationale,its just another stick to beat the boss.

If thats your thing,i'm gonne leave you to it while i look forward him proving he and his team know far better than any of us.

Sorry is that someone elses rationale that you just happen to agree with or my rationale. Didnt realise this forum was suposed to be run like north korea ;-)