Kelechi Iheanacho

[squirtyflower]

Re: Iheanacho - Our 4th Striker?

http://thenationonlineng.net/new/man-city-loan-nwakali-spanish-club/?

that's not the player the thread is about

Partially relevant;

“He will now sign a professional contract with City this month as he will soon be 18. But unlike compatriot Kelechi Iheanacho, City will not apply for a work permit for him in the United Kingdom. Instead, he will go on loan to Spain.”

Agreed, but the poster might have drawn attention to it, perhaps?

 

[Blue Haze]

Anyone know how long this normally takes?

 

[Pubteam Lomas]

Anyone know how long this normally takes?

If Gill has anything to do with it about 8 weeks, by which time hopefully all our players will be back!

 

[oakiecokie]

Surely we must have "friends in high places" at the Home Office ?

 

[aspic]

All I keep reading on here is the plan is to register him in January, but shorely as he is under 18 he doesn't have to officially be registered.

he isnt under 18, his 18th birthday was in October.

City have applied for a work permit as of a couple of days ago and are using the special talent argument, there is zero chance he will be loaned out if he gets a visa based on him being a special talent.

Will Iheanacho's lack of European playing, and his lack of senior national team experience, prevent him from getting his permit? Has there ever been another player this young, in a similar situation, who has successfully got a permit? Henrique and QPR tried applying back in 2012, and he had won the golden boot and golden ball at the U20 World Cup the year before, but his permit was denied.

 

[Centurions]

All I keep reading on here is the plan is to register him in January, but shorely as he is under 18 he doesn't have to officially be registered.

he isnt under 18, his 18th birthday was in October.

City have applied for a work permit as of a couple of days ago and are using the special talent argument, there is zero chance he will be loaned out if he gets a visa based on him being a special talent.

Will Iheanacho's lack of European playing, and his lack of senior national team experience, prevent him from getting his permit? Has there ever been another player this young, in a similar situation, who has successfully got a permit? Henrique and QPR tried applying back in 2012, and he had won the golden boot and golden ball at the U20 World Cup the year before, but his permit was denied.

Hence the application using the ' special talent' clause, there is no guarantee.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

I like Pozo, he has lots of potential and will clearly be a good player. But he is absolutely tiny, not a lone striker and frankly nowhere near ready to be starting PL games. Iheanacho is strong, quick and has serious once in a lifetime ability. With no fit strikers its a no brainer. Get him a WP and get him on the pitch.

 

[moomba]

All I keep reading on here is the plan is to register him in January, but shorely as he is under 18 he doesn't have to officially be registered.

he isnt under 18, his 18th birthday was in October.

City have applied for a work permit as of a couple of days ago and are using the special talent argument, there is zero chance he will be loaned out if he gets a visa based on him being a special talent.

Will Iheanacho's lack of European playing, and his lack of senior national team experience, prevent him from getting his permit? Has there ever been another player this young, in a similar situation, who has successfully got a permit? Henrique and QPR tried applying back in 2012, and he had won the golden boot and golden ball at the U20 World Cup the year before, but his permit was denied.

I don't know if the rules have changed, but if you don't meet the 75% rules you will be rejected no matter what. Clubs can appeal, and thats where the "exceptional talent or plays for Man United" rules come in.

Not sure if QPR took it to appeal, but from a quick look it appears it was a loan deal leading to a permanent transfer which would have hurt their case.

 

[Neville Kneville]

he isnt under 18, his 18th birthday was in October.

City have applied for a work permit as of a couple of days ago and are using the special talent argument, there is zero chance he will be loaned out if he gets a visa based on him being a special talent.

Will Iheanacho's lack of European playing, and his lack of senior national team experience, prevent him from getting his permit? Has there ever been another player this young, in a similar situation, who has successfully got a permit? Henrique and QPR tried applying back in 2012, and he had won the golden boot and golden ball at the U20 World Cup the year before, but his permit was denied.

I don't know if the rules have changed, but if you don't meet the 75% rules you will be rejected no matter what. Clubs can appeal, and thats where the "exceptional talent or plays for Man United" rules come in.

Not sure if QPR took it to appeal, but from a quick look it appears it was a loan deal leading to a permanent transfer which would have hurt their case.

I imagine it will have seriously damaged their case, as, if they thought he was that special themselves, they would sign him.

 

[moomba]

I imagine it will have seriously damaged their case, as, if they thought he was that special themselves, they would sign him.

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I imagine it will have seriously damaged their case, as, if they thought he was that special themselves, they would sign him.

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

There are hours of video available, of Kelechi playing in the U17s World Cup & at tmes producing breathtaking stuff. Anyone looking at that & saying he is not worthy of a permit, is basically saying no kid of his age in he world is worth one, as he was better than pretty much anything else in that tournament.

It would be due to malicious people on the panel if they turn him down imo, & we should have a word at higher levels.

That whole team is worth a permit imo. Fantastic. Any of them would have a chance. I recon that Nigerua U17s team would destroy the Euro U19s league even more than we are doing.

 

[aspic]

I imagine it will have seriously damaged their case, as, if they thought he was that special themselves, they would sign him.

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

There are hours of video available, of Kelechi playing in the U17s World Cup & at tmes producing breathtaking stuff. Anyone looking at that & saying he is not worthy of a permit, is basically saying no kid of his age in he world is worth one, as he was better than pretty much anything else in that tournament.

It would be due to malicious people on the panel if they turn him down imo, & we should have a word at higher levels.

That whole team is worth a permit imo. Fantastic. Any of them would have a chance. I recon that Nigerua U17s team would destroy the Euro U19s league even more than we are doing.

Good point about the loan vs. permanent distinction. I think I read that in the near future, the FA was looking to change the rules about foreign players and permits and one of the requirements would be that you wouldn't be able to loan the player once they got a permit. Hopefully our intentions to bring Iheanacho straight into the first team will help his case.

I know his ability qualifies him for a permit, it's just a shame he hasn't gotten any playing time at senior national team level. I realize it's tough for a boy his age to do, but if he doesn't get the permit the national team coach should bear some of the blame, as well as the people on the panel.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I imagine it will have seriously damaged their case, as, if they thought he was that special themselves, they would sign him.

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

There are hours of video available, of Kelechi playing in the U17s World Cup & at tmes producing breathtaking stuff. Anyone looking at that & saying he is not worthy of a permit, is basically saying no kid of his age in he world is worth one, as he was better than pretty much anything else in that tournament.

It would be due to malicious people on the panel if they turn him down imo, & we should have a word at higher levels.

That whole team is worth a permit imo. Fantastic. Any of them would have a chance. I recon that Nigerua U17s team would destroy the Euro U19s league even more than we are doing.

just read his appeal is to be heard this week

 

[Neville Kneville]

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

There are hours of video available, of Kelechi playing in the U17s World Cup & at tmes producing breathtaking stuff. Anyone looking at that & saying he is not worthy of a permit, is basically saying no kid of his age in he world is worth one, as he was better than pretty much anything else in that tournament.

It would be due to malicious people on the panel if they turn him down imo, & we should have a word at higher levels.

That whole team is worth a permit imo. Fantastic. Any of them would have a chance. I recon that Nigerua U17s team would destroy the Euro U19s league even more than we are doing.

Good point about the loan vs. permanent distinction. I think I read that in the near future, the FA was looking to change the rules about foreign players and permits and one of the requirements would be that you wouldn't be able to loan the player once they got a permit. Hopefully our intentions to bring Iheanacho straight into the first team will help his case.

I know his ability qualifies him for a permit, it's just a shame he hasn't gotten any playing time at senior national team level. I realize it's tough for a boy his age to do, but if he doesn't get the permit the national team coach should bear some of the blame, as well as the people on the panel.

He would have had to play 75% of Nigeria's games in order to get a premit without having to appeal though. So although it would be sending the right message if he played in the full team, it still wouldn't solve the problem. It would still need an appeal.

But I think it would be very unusual & suspicious if they turn this lad down.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I remember Liverpool having an appeal rejected for a Chilean player (Gonzales?), the fact he was only on loan was specified as a reason for that. They got the permit the next year when he moved on a permanent deal, but he may have met the 75% requirement by that stage anyway.

There are hours of video available, of Kelechi playing in the U17s World Cup & at tmes producing breathtaking stuff. Anyone looking at that & saying he is not worthy of a permit, is basically saying no kid of his age in he world is worth one, as he was better than pretty much anything else in that tournament.

It would be due to malicious people on the panel if they turn him down imo, & we should have a word at higher levels.

That whole team is worth a permit imo. Fantastic. Any of them would have a chance. I recon that Nigerua U17s team would destroy the Euro U19s league even more than we are doing.

just read his appeal is to be heard this week

Be a real buzz for Saturday if it was all done & he was in the squad.

 

[aspic]

He would have had to play 75% of Nigeria's games in order to get a premit without having to appeal though. So although it would be sending the right message if he played in the full team, it still wouldn't solve the problem. It would still need an appeal.

But I think it would be very unusual & suspicious if they turn this lad down.

Even appealing for the highest calibre clause, some experience would be better than none.

This article from the summer has a chart of players who appealed under the highest calibre test and got permits. It's also got a chart of those players who have been refused. http://www.lawinsport.com/articles/...ghest-calibre-standard-for-non-eu-footballers

When players haven't got senior national team experience, it looks like the appeals panel heavily favors experience playing in the European competitions. Although Iheanacho has exceptional talent, and he has shown it on an international level (albeit not senior level), I don't think it would be so unusual for the panel to reject his appeal. U17 isn't the CL or the UEL. Of course, there are exceptions for everything, and I'd love it if Iheanacho won his appeal. It's very possible the panel has not had to decide a case quite like his, maybe the club can make new arguments for why he deserves to play in England. Actually, Miyaichi might be a good case to compare his to. He was about the same age, but he was sent on loan before getting the permit.

 

[bumbleblue]

Hope he gets the permit..how long does appeal process usually take?? Anyone know?

 

[Neville Kneville]

He would have had to play 75% of Nigeria's games in order to get a premit without having to appeal though. So although it would be sending the right message if he played in the full team, it still wouldn't solve the problem. It would still need an appeal.

But I think it would be very unusual & suspicious if they turn this lad down.

Even appealing for the highest calibre clause, some experience would be better than none.

This article from the summer has a chart of players who appealed under the highest calibre test and got permits. It's also got a chart of those players who have been refused. http://www.lawinsport.com/articles/...ghest-calibre-standard-for-non-eu-footballers

When players haven't got senior national team experience, it looks like the appeals panel heavily favors experience playing in the European competitions. Although Iheanacho has exceptional talent, and he has shown it on an international level (albeit not senior level), I don't think it would be so unusual for the panel to reject his appeal. U17 isn't the CL or the UEL. Of course, there are exceptions for everything, and I'd love it if Iheanacho won his appeal. It's very possible the panel has not had to decide a case quite like his, maybe the club can make new arguments for why he deserves to play in England. Actually, Miyaichi might be a good case to compare his to. He was about the same age, but he was sent on loan before getting the permit.

If that list is true, then who are all these kids that Greg Dyke has been complaining about getting special talent work permits & keeping English players from getting games ? There aren't any.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

I like it that City are keeping quiet on the subject whilst no doubt working hard to get the lad on the books. Probably any direct mention of him as a prospect and the anti media would be all over us as usual to tell us we are ruining football

 

[Feed the Elk]

He would have had to play 75% of Nigeria's games in order to get a premit without having to appeal though. So although it would be sending the right message if he played in the full team, it still wouldn't solve the problem. It would still need an appeal.

But I think it would be very unusual & suspicious if they turn this lad down.

Even appealing for the highest calibre clause, some experience would be better than none.

This article from the summer has a chart of players who appealed under the highest calibre test and got permits. It's also got a chart of those players who have been refused. http://www.lawinsport.com/articles/...ghest-calibre-standard-for-non-eu-footballers

When players haven't got senior national team experience, it looks like the appeals panel heavily favors experience playing in the European competitions. Although Iheanacho has exceptional talent, and he has shown it on an international level (albeit not senior level), I don't think it would be so unusual for the panel to reject his appeal. U17 isn't the CL or the UEL. Of course, there are exceptions for everything, and I'd love it if Iheanacho won his appeal. It's very possible the panel has not had to decide a case quite like his, maybe the club can make new arguments for why he deserves to play in England. Actually, Miyaichi might be a good case to compare his to. He was about the same age, but he was sent on loan before getting the permit.

Great link to help explain the process and the chances of success.

Based on precedent, i would be surprised if we are successful in gaining a work permit for Iheanacho at the first attempt as has been pointed out, he has very little club experience - did he even play for Columbus Crew?