Kelechi Iheanacho

[George Hannah]

just read his appeal is to be heard this week

are you able to tell us where?

 

[kunaguero10]

He would have had to play 75% of Nigeria's games in order to get a premit without having to appeal though. So although it would be sending the right message if he played in the full team, it still wouldn't solve the problem. It would still need an appeal.

But I think it would be very unusual & suspicious if they turn this lad down.

Even appealing for the highest calibre clause, some experience would be better than none.

This article from the summer has a chart of players who appealed under the highest calibre test and got permits. It's also got a chart of those players who have been refused. http://www.lawinsport.com/articles/...ghest-calibre-standard-for-non-eu-footballers

When players haven't got senior national team experience, it looks like the appeals panel heavily favors experience playing in the European competitions. Although Iheanacho has exceptional talent, and he has shown it on an international level (albeit not senior level), I don't think it would be so unusual for the panel to reject his appeal. U17 isn't the CL or the UEL. Of course, there are exceptions for everything, and I'd love it if Iheanacho won his appeal. It's very possible the panel has not had to decide a case quite like his, maybe the club can make new arguments for why he deserves to play in England. Actually, Miyaichi might be a good case to compare his to. He was about the same age, but he was sent on loan before getting the permit.

Great link to help explain the process and the chances of success.

Based on precedent, i would be surprised if we are successful in gaining a work permit for Iheanacho at the first attempt as has been pointed out, he has very little club experience - did he even play for Columbus Crew?

But at the same time he's just turned 18 - would denying him a permit on this basis constitute age discrimination?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Club experience should not even enter the thought process, it is totally irrelevant.

It seems that the so called experts have been using that as a guide, because they have no idea who these players are. Why would it make a difference to the case of a young Messi, or Aguero whether they have played a few games for Ghent in the Europa League ?

It just proves to me that they don't know what they are doing.

There is plenty of evidence to backup Kelechi's case & if anyone can look at that, & say he is a lesser talent than the other characters on that list, they are either not fit to be doing the job, or they have an agenda.

We should not accept it if he is turned down, we should speak to people at a higher level.

 

[BigOscar]

Didn't he win an award for the best young player in Africa? If that doesn't make you an "exceptional talent", fuck knows what does.

 

[sam-caddick]

Surely if he is successful on appeal he will get his work permit there and then?

Hopefully this can all be sorted by Friday lunchtime because he would be eligible to be play on Saturday if registered before then.

 

[twosips]

Dunno why but I've just got a feeling this could drag on for a very long time. Id be surprised if we saw him eligible anytime soon. Would love to be wrong though.

 

[BigOscar]

Surely if he is successful on appeal he will get his work permit there and then?

Hopefully this can all be sorted by Friday lunchtime because he would be eligible to be play on Saturday if registered before then.

You need time for international clearance, registering etc, so this weekend would never be possible I think. Pretty sure the Nigerian FA has to send documents releasing him from their registration, then the English FA have to clear him to be registered here. I seem to recall Eidur Gudjohnson not being able to play for Bolton the other week because the Belgian FA took too long releasing his registration from them (and he'd been without a club for 4 months and was an EU member)

 

[Neville Kneville]

Surely if he is successful on appeal he will get his work permit there and then?

Hopefully this can all be sorted by Friday lunchtime because he would be eligible to be play on Saturday if registered before then.

You need time for international clearance, registering etc, so this weekend would never be possible I think. Pretty sure the Nigerian FA has to send documents releasing him from their registration, then the English FA have to clear him to be registered here. I seem to recall Eidur Gudjohnson not being able to play for Bolton the other week because the Belgian FA took too long releasing his registration from them (and he'd been without a club for 4 months and was an EU member)

Is it the same if he is signing as an 18 year old without a club though ? Has anyone in Africa actually had his registration ?

 

[BigOscar]

Surely if he is successful on appeal he will get his work permit there and then?

Hopefully this can all be sorted by Friday lunchtime because he would be eligible to be play on Saturday if registered before then.

You need time for international clearance, registering etc, so this weekend would never be possible I think. Pretty sure the Nigerian FA has to send documents releasing him from their registration, then the English FA have to clear him to be registered here. I seem to recall Eidur Gudjohnson not being able to play for Bolton the other week because the Belgian FA took too long releasing his registration from them (and he'd been without a club for 4 months and was an EU member)

Is it the same if he is signing as an 18 year old without a club though ? Has anyone in Africa actually had his registration ?

He was previously with Taye Academy in Nigeria, so I think your registration stays ther untill someone switches it to another FA. He might be registered in the US instead, didn't he spend some time on loan at someone over there? I've no idea quite how it works, but he must be registered somewhere, I'd of thought.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You need time for international clearance, registering etc, so this weekend would never be possible I think. Pretty sure the Nigerian FA has to send documents releasing him from their registration, then the English FA have to clear him to be registered here. I seem to recall Eidur Gudjohnson not being able to play for Bolton the other week because the Belgian FA took too long releasing his registration from them (and he'd been without a club for 4 months and was an EU member)

Is it the same if he is signing as an 18 year old without a club though ? Has anyone in Africa actually had his registration ?

He was previously with Taye Academy in Nigeria, so I think your registration stays ther untill someone switches it to another FA. He might be registered in the US instead, didn't he spend some time on loan at someone over there? I've no idea quite how it works, but he must be registered somewhere, I'd of thought.

He was training in the US & some sources had it down as a loan, so it could be they have his registration.

According to the M.E.N. this morning, we are releasing him for the U20 tournament in Africa, so it's irrelevant anyway, he'll be gone & if Nigeria U20s play as well as the U17s, he'll be away til after the final.

 

[George Hannah]

Is it the same if he is signing as an 18 year old without a club though ? Has anyone in Africa actually had his registration ?

He was previously with Taye Academy in Nigeria, so I think your registration stays ther untill someone switches it to another FA. He might be registered in the US instead, didn't he spend some time on loan at someone over there? I've no idea quite how it works, but he must be registered somewhere, I'd of thought.

He was training in the US & some sources had it down as a loan, so it could be they have his registration.

According to the M.E.N. this morning, we are releasing him for the U20 tournament in Africa, so it's irrelevant anyway, he'll be gone & if Nigeria U20s play as well as the U17s, he'll be away til after the final.

that's a blow, I hoped we had a plan to get him in the first team squad this month.

 

[Neville Kneville]

He was previously with Taye Academy in Nigeria, so I think your registration stays ther untill someone switches it to another FA. He might be registered in the US instead, didn't he spend some time on loan at someone over there? I've no idea quite how it works, but he must be registered somewhere, I'd of thought.

He was training in the US & some sources had it down as a loan, so it could be they have his registration.

According to the M.E.N. this morning, we are releasing him for the U20 tournament in Africa, so it's irrelevant anyway, he'll be gone & if Nigeria U20s play as well as the U17s, he'll be away til after the final.

that's a blow, I hoped we had a plan to get him in the first team squad this month.

Me too.

 

[twosips]

Where is that? I can't see it anywhere

EDIT - found that, but anyway see my other post below.

 

[twosips]

<a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_African_U-20_Championship" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Afric ... ampionship</a>

That's the u20s. It's in March?

 

[Neville Kneville]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_African_U-20_Championship

That's the u20s. It's in March?

It's a training camp starting on 27 Dec apparently.

The M.E.N. says he's off then, so presumably City don't require him.

Unless of course the M.E.N. is talking bollocks, but you would imagine they would have asked.

 

[Neville Kneville]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_African_U-20_Championship

That's the u20s. It's in March?

It's a training camp starting on 27 Dec apparently.

The M.E.N. says he's off then, so presumably City don't require him.

Unless of course the M.E.N. is talking bollocks, but you would imagine they would have asked.

Just a mention. It's the same coach who is in charge of both the U17s & the U20s apparently & if that's the case, i have no problem with Kelechi being with him (IF we don't want to use him) because I think the way he has them playing, is fantastic.

He has also said he thinks Kelechi should be straight in the full Nigeria team & straight into City's team, as he is better already than some of the players in both & all he lacks is experience. I think he is probably correct.

 

[Feed the Elk]

Either way i don't believe relying on an 18 year old who is unproven in the Prem is the way forward. Just like Pozo, i don't think he is experienced or mature enough to lead the line for a team fighting for titles. Presumably we'll muddle through until Jan at which point we'll probably have one or two of our main men back in contention.

Pozo has only ever been a plan B - he hasn't been selected as part of a starting XI and similarly i don't think Iheanacho was ever in the equation to start for us at this stage

Just my opinion

 

[Neville Kneville]

Either way i don't believe relying on an 18 year old who is unproven in the Prem is the way forward. Just like Pozo, i don't think he is experienced or mature enough to lead the line for a team fighting for titles. Presumably we'll muddle through until Jan at which point we'll probably have one or two of our main men back in contention.

Pozo has only ever been a plan B - he hasn't been selected as part of a starting XI and similarly i don't think Iheanacho was ever in the equation to start for us at this stage

Just my opinion

I would say percentage wise that Iheanacho is more likely to score a goal for City in any given game, than anyone who will start on Saturday.

 

[George Hannah]

Either way i don't believe relying on an 18 year old who is unproven in the Prem is the way forward. Just like Pozo, i don't think he is experienced or mature enough to lead the line for a team fighting for titles. Presumably we'll muddle through until Jan at which point we'll probably have one or two of our main men back in contention.

Pozo has only ever been a plan B - he hasn't been selected as part of a starting XI and similarly i don't think Iheanacho was ever in the equation to start for us at this stage

Just my opinion

I would say percentage wise that Iheanacho is more likely to score a goal for City in any given game, than anyone who will start on Saturday.

This is a curious video, made after the MEN story that Iheanacho is off to a post Christmas training camp for the U20 Africa Cup.
Brennan says that the lad has been training with the first team after getting a visa and that we are awaiting the work permit decision which could allow him to join the squad as a more physically robust option up front than Pozo. So hope still springs.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brennan-man-citys-options-january-8304989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ry-8304989</a>

 

[Neville Kneville]

Either way i don't believe relying on an 18 year old who is unproven in the Prem is the way forward. Just like Pozo, i don't think he is experienced or mature enough to lead the line for a team fighting for titles. Presumably we'll muddle through until Jan at which point we'll probably have one or two of our main men back in contention.

Pozo has only ever been a plan B - he hasn't been selected as part of a starting XI and similarly i don't think Iheanacho was ever in the equation to start for us at this stage

Just my opinion

I would say percentage wise that Iheanacho is more likely to score a goal for City in any given game, than anyone who will start on Saturday.

This is a curious video, made after the MEN story that Iheanacho is off to a post Christmas training camp for the U20 Africa Cup.
Brennan says that the lad has been training with the first team after getting a visa and that we are awaiting the work permit decision which could allow him to join the squad as a more physically robust option up front than Pozo. So hope still springs.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brennan-man-citys-options-january-8304989" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ry-8304989</a>

It is unusual.

Perhaps he didn't get the stuff about Kelechi's call up from City & got it from an African football site instead ? Maybe we can keep him til the actual tournament starts in March, if he gets a permit ?