Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I get the impression you have a little crush on khan ono - he's a good fighter mate, polished up considerably since roach took him under his wing and can only beat whats in front of him, however you make him out to be fucking sugar ray, he may clean up the division, he may step up and do the same the weight above but hand on heart ask yourself -
is he in manny/moneys leagues? na
No, i don't even think he's that brilliant. I think he's a good fighter. Thing that bothers me is when people say he cherry picks his opponents. I don't think it's a fair comment because he's either fought or pursued a fight with pretty much every ranked fighter at 140.
You could make an argument for Warren matching him too carefully earlier on, but he left Warren, and since then i don't see how anybody can have a problem with his opponents.
It annoyed me because last week people were creaming themselves over Kell Brook beating a guy who was absurdly ranked in the top 7 at Welterweight. Brook's a good fighter, but i think people forget he's older than Khan. You can't talk up his achievements, and then rubbish Khan's, especially when Khan's achieved much more.
I still think Khan has a lot of flaws. I still don't think his punch resistance is cracking, although it is better at 140 than it was at 135. I still think he can look vulnerable and his defence isn't great, and he still crosses his legs over when he moves, which makes him look a bit like Bambi and a little bit clumsy at times.
He's not in Floyd's league, but then again nobody is. Not even Pacquiao. He'd still give Floyd a lot of problems though, but he'd ultimately lose. He's a better fighter at 24 than Pacquiao was though. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll go on to be better than Pacquiao....because he probably won't.
Just think he gets a rough deal. He's trying to make fights with the best fighters available. He's an exciting fighter to watch normally and he left his comfort zone in England to go on and better himself in America. That takes a lot of bottle. He could have done a Hatton and defended a title in England 4 times a year for 3 years against European standard fighters.
Him and Froch are the two English fighters who are continuously fighting the best in their respective divisions and i think it should be commended rather than criticised.
-- Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:01 am --
JoeMercer'sWay said:
ono said:
McCloskey was starting to come into the fight? He was horrible. His sole intention seemed to be to get through the fight without getting stopped. He hardly threw anything and he leant so far back he was almost horizontal. The notion that he was 'coming into the fight' is quite odd. Khan landed 88 punches to McCloskey's 44 and that margin was getting wider and wider on a round by round basis.
As for the negotiations, i'm sorry but that was all down to Sky. Taking the fight off Box Office because the undercard fell apart is very shoddy. If i remember correctly you seemed to think this was all Khan's fault aswell....
As for Khan ducking Maidana....haha he's already fought him. Brilliant. He fought him once when he didn't have to. Why fight him again, when he doesn't have to? What's beating him again going to prove? It's like saying Maidana should rematch Morales before he fights Khan - that fight was closer than Khan vs Maidana.
Paulie was coming off the two best performances of his entire career against Juan Diaz. I will assume you didn't see any of them. Zab had just come off two wins over top ten ranked fighters, and he was the IBF world champion.
Morales was offered $1.5m for the Khan fight. He declined and faced Maidana for much less money. Bradley was offered a 50/50 split which would have given him around about $1.6m (career high pay day by a million miles) and he turned it down.
What do you mean, Khan won't get the big fights? He's promoted by GoldenBoy, and he's the number 1 fighter at 140lbs. Of course he will. When he's finished at 140, he will move up to 147 where there will plenty of big fights for him.
-- Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:03 pm --
Again disagree.
"very questionable and he seems to be just taking on guys he knows(apart from Maidana) he can beat "
Who at 140 should he be looking to fight then? He's fought and beat 4 of the top 10. He's offered 2 others a fight for big money and they said no. So that only leaves 4 top 10 fighters left for him to fight. 2 of them have recently lost to Judah, so what would he gain from that? 1 has moved up to welterweight, and he's fighting the last remaining fighter in December. So in you're own opinion, who at Light-Wleterweight should he fight next? (after Peterson)
As for those fighters being bizarrely ranked...i'd love to know who you'd have ranked above them at 140?
Nearly every Boxing publication out there has that top ten. Those aren't the rankings of the individual governing body's (which are bizarre). They're independent rankings.
As for Judah, the punch landed on the belt ling. Nowhere near his bollocks. Zab was getting thoroughly dominated and he looked for a way out.
it was still controversial...
There's an "interesting" light welterweight fight this weekend between Kendall Holt and the unbeaten 23 year old Danny Garcia, if Garcia wins that he could be a potential contender for Khan, some sources say it's an IBF Eliminator which should mean the winner has to face Khan? Garcia's 21-0(14 KO), could be interesting if he beats Holt, and there's Jesus Vargas, another young American(22) at 17-0 who it's most likely too early for Khan to fight but if he picks up a few more wins then he's also an unbeaten candidate, if Bradley won't fight him.
Peterson will be a good fight for Khan and I look forward to it, he may then be asked to defend against Garcia/Holt but if Bradley won't step in the ring with him there's a lot anyone can do about that. If he moves up part of me wants him to earn a shot against Money to prove himself at Welterweight and part of me wants him to be thrown in there as otherwise Mayweather will be getting old and it gives Khan a better chance which I don't want as it would be sickening if Khan beat him. Then i'd love Khan to be thrown in against Pacquiao and be sent silly like Hatton was. Kell Brook is a welterweight so that could be a good fight in that division as could Mike Jones, who has a WBO Eliminator v Lujan in December and is also undefeated, could even stick him in with Ortiz, Matthew Hatton and earn a shot against Berto(if he's still champ by then), if they want to go the Haye route and have him as World Champ to increase their bargaining power in fights. I gather they want to fight in the next year or so(money/khan), so that would leave maybe only 1 more match after Peterson before the showdown, and you'd have to say if Khan's moving up he needs to fight at welterweight before facing Money, maybe a fight in Britain if his Money match is gonna be in Vegas, which leans me towards Brook, because Kell beat the #5 on the IBO list and if I'm right that was a WBA Eliminator, which would mean he'd go to face the undefeated Senchenko, and if he won that he could use it as a bargaining chip for a Khan match, and they could fight in the UK for big money, and if he lost Khan could just use him as a warm-up anyway.
who knows lol, I think there's a lot more for him at 147 to face, the only danger is plowing into a fight with Money, getting his arse handed to him and then not really having anywhere to go with it, he's still young though and if he wants the ultimate credibility of beating money and/or paq he has to beat them in the next couple of years before their powers wane imo.
Ahh i gathered you pretty much just wanted to see him get knocked out. Haha.
I think the Brook fight is a natural progression for sometimes next year. Brook shouldn't have any problems with Senchenko, so he should be the WBA Welterweight Champion after that. I'd imagine he'd have a routine defence, before facing someone like Khan, Berto or Ortiz.
Danny Garcia looks quite good. I think he might end up at Welterweight in the not too distant future.
Basically that's where it's at for Khan. He's better than everyone at Light-Welterweight. It would be nice to see him sign off with a win over Bradley, but like you say, if Bradley won't fight then there's nothing Khan can do.
Problem is, i couldn't imagine Khan standing up to punches from big Welters like Margarito and Cotto. I think he'd beat Ortiz and probably Berto, but those would still be pretty big fights. Ortiz and Khan fought in the Jr Olympic final when they were both amatuers. Khan stopped him in the first round, but Ortiz is a a dangerous fighter now. Not sure of GoldenBoy would put them in together though. Not yet anyway, makes no sense.
Looking forward to the Peterson fight though. Could be quite tricky.
