Kicking off in Leicester

[mexico1970]

I can give you a pattern - Denmark.

But the point is, patriotism, so-called, is just rhetoric unless it delivers for the people.
A patriotic government would produce (inter alia)
A top-class education service.
A top-class health service.
A functioning democracy with a modern constitution.
A functioning housing/rental market.
An effective justice system. (It would be a safe place to live.)
A minimum standard of living below which no one would be allowed to fall, etc., etc.

These things are practical realities. Much so-called patriotism is just hot air and abstract BS. Like saying how 'great' we are. How does that feed anyone?

Don't take this the wrong way mate but can I possibly have a couple of ounces of what you smoked in the last 10 minutes :)

 

[mancityvstoke]

I'm Irish descent......my family are all Irish.

I don't support England.

I don't support Ireland either.

I support City cos I was born in Manchester. That's as patriotic as I get.

 

[-dabz-]

I can give you a pattern - Denmark.

But the point is, patriotism, so-called, is just rhetoric unless it delivers for the people.
A patriotic government would produce (inter alia)
A top-class education service.
A top-class health service.
A functioning democracy with a modern constitution.
A functioning housing/rental market.
An effective justice system. (It would be a safe place to live.)
A minimum standard of living below which no one would be allowed to fall, etc., etc.

These things are practical realities. Much so-called patriotism is just hot air and abstract BS. Like saying how 'great' we are. How does that feed anyone?

And how close to these ideals would you say we are?

 

[mexico1970]

And how close to these ideals would you say we are?

Well Denmark is a constitutional Monarchy so that's a start.

 

[-dabz-]

Well Denmark is a constitutional Monarchy so that's a start.

...and a finish.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well Denmark is a constitutional Monarchy so that's a start.

All the things he listed are achievable here. It’d need people to think as a society, not every man for themselves, and a long term plan.

All this fighting in the trenches bollocks is exactly that.

 

[meltonblue]

And how close to these ideals would you say we are?

I think the question is more which one of those ideals would people generally disagree with?

 

[oscbarcelona]

these idiots in Leicester are fighting for something which is a world away from what they are living in.

most of them are spolit cunts and giving the rest of the people from their community a bad name.

 

[mexico1970]

All the things he listed are achievable here. It’d need people to think as a society, not every man for themselves, and a long term plan.

All this fighting in the trenches bollocks is exactly that.

We could start first with stopping racists in Leicester from being allowed to cause hate on the streets.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

We could start first with stopping racists in Leicester from being allowed to cause hate on the streets.

Maybe. A change of government and standard in Westminster is probably a more fundamental step.