Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

Kazzydeyna said:
You know what? Sadly I want you to be wrong with this post but I fear you are right.

Never has the political class held the voters in greater contempt.

All of them want to continue in the EU because, for one of many reasons, they can advance their right wing , crush the people's spirit and divide and rule, policies and use the "it wasnt me it was the EU" excuse. That's why I believe Boris wanted a close defeat and shit himself when brexit won.

It's also why as much as I admire him and will happily vote for him, I'm disappointed with Jeremy. He is a lifelong, natural, euro sceptic who imo went for brexit to try and hold his party together. That worked well for him didn't it.

It's why you now have major figures in labour and lib dem openly campaigning to ignore the wishes of the electorate because they believe we are "too thick, too racist, too northern, too old in our 'northern crappy towns' ".

Don't expect the tories to be any different as the GE gets closer.

I despise so much of ukip but you cannot deny they appear to be the only party that listens to 'ordinary' people. They are no friend of the working class, or the disadvantaged in society, but if they get to a position of influence (they'll never win a GE but they don't need to win, just poll enough votes) where their other hateful side comes out it won't be the tories fault. It will be the right of the Labour Party.
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Although I'm no longer a Labour voter, and would never be for Corbyn, I was astonished that he made a complete
U turn of his principles about Europe. People say he's 'Honest' and sticks to his beliefs despite attacks and ridicule,
and up till then, I had some sympathy with this view of him. However, this volte - face was a very bad decision by him,
and goes a long way towards proving he's the ineffectual perpetual agitating activist, who falls at the first when actually having
to make hard decisions.
His position post Brexit would have been immeasurably stronger, particularly as the vast majority of the PLP were remainers,
and his much vaunted, but now tainted, principles would have won him some much needed admirers from traditional opponents.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Although I'm no longer a Labour voter, and would never be for Corbyn, I was astonished that he made a complete
U turn of his principles about Europe. People say he's 'Honest' and sticks to his beliefs despite attacks and ridicule,
and up till then, I had some sympathy with this view of him. However, this volte - face was a very bad decision by him,
and goes a long way towards proving he's the ineffectual perpetual agitating activist, who falls at the first when actually having
to make hard decisions.
His position post Brexit would have been immeasurably stronger, particularly as the vast majority of the PLP were remainers,
and his much vaunted, but now tainted, principles would have won him some much needed admirers from traditional opponents.
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I agree. I think he did it to hold his party together as most of them were very pro EU.

That doesn't excuse him though, he shouldn't have done it. If he had stayed true to his beliefs the whole coup would've been avoided possibly, and he could justifiably claim that labour was once again the party of the true working class, and would have cut ukips legs out from under them in some parts of the country.

It will be a interesting next few years that's for sure.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I agree. I think he did it to hold his party together as most of them were very pro EU.

That doesn't excuse him though, he shouldn't have done it. If he had stayed true to his beliefs the whole coup would've been avoided possibly, and he could justifiably claim that labour was once again the party of the true working class, and would have cut ukips legs out from under them in some parts of the country.

It will be a interesting next few years that's for sure.
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Yep, the UKIP vote would have taken a massive hit if he'd stuck to his beliefs, now he's got a mountain to climb,
as the 40% or so Labour voters who voted out will now be waverers at best.
 
purplenose said:
Thats interesting, I knew it had changed but wasnt sure what the mechanism for calling an election is now.

I suspect were she to want an election she would probably quite easily get that 75%, most Tories would give it their blessing I would think, and as you suggest there will be those in Labour who would on the back of delusional interpretations of both the Brexit vote and the Leadership votes believe they could win an election now.
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She could also pass a one line amendment to the Act.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
If you're a working man/woman, grafting your tripes out, paying tax, buying your home and generally trying to improve your life
by your own efforts, being constantly lectured about 'Inequality,' how ineffective and puny the UK is without having your hand held by
some unelected Luxembourg piss head, being told how cruel and racist you are by 18 year old students and multi millionaire
right on Luvvies, your patience with Labour starts to wane. You'll never vote Tory, the Liberals have virtually vanished, so you
swerve to UKIP, in the main.
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Corbyn's policies appeal more to the middle class than working class

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/oct/26/middle-class-leftwing-working-poll
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
She can't unilaterally call an election any more as it now needs a 75% majority in the House of Commons to call an early election. There are rumours that Corbyn would actually support an early election, which really would be turkeys voting for Xmas.
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He could hardly not support it. What credibility he has would be shot by refusing to actually try to run the nation.
 
His mandate carries about as much significance as asking a bunch of one direction fans who they think are the best band ever.
 
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