Labour / Tory Party meltdown Referendum fallout

Pino said:
Now that the second labour leadership election in a year is over what exactly is going to happen to about the election fraud so obviously committed by the labour party? Despite everything Corbyn increased his majority in all areas and would have increased it further if around 200,000 members had been disallowed the vote. Can all the right wing, neo-con nutjobs please leave the party now because when the people get their say you will be the ‘unelectable ones’ forever.
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Is the correct answer.

The camouflage conservatives have tried, twice, to assert control of the party, cheating and lying in the process, and failed. Twice.

I'm not sure Corbyn will win a election but I'm 100% certain he will drastically increase the labour vote.

It is the MP's in the coup that want the labour party to be one of the professional big city classes, ignoring the poor, the weak, and the unlucky.

They tried to out-tory the tories with the hate for the weakest in our society and failed.

Jeremy Corbyn, an honest, decent, unafraid man. The country is a slightly nicer place today.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Is the correct answer.

The camouflage conservatives have tried, twice, to assert control of the party, cheating and lying in the process, and failed. Twice.

I'm not sure Corbyn will win a election but I'm 100% certain he will drastically increase the labour vote.

It is the MP's in the coup that want the labour party to be one of the professional big city classes, ignoring the poor, the weak, and the unlucky.

They tried to out-tory the tories with the hate for the weakest in our society and failed.

Jeremy Corbyn, an honest, decent, unafraid man. The country is a slightly nicer place today.
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Thanks for this post, I thought I was the only one.
 
law74 said:
Do you mean the electoral expenses fraud?
That investigation is ongoing into about 20 TORY MP's
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Forgot to add that to the list of pitfalls May faces in her "unstoppable" ride to victory in 2020 - not going to be simple at all
 
Labour did not lose the GE because they were not left wing enough.

Jeremy Corbyn is an idealist and a career opposer - he clearly cannot unite his fellow MPs, although they don't come out with much credit, and he's turning what could be a good moment to challenge to Tories into a self-indulgent crusade

He cannot connect with the middle ground. Yeah, the anarchists, students and liberal elite like him but not ordinary folks. If he stands up there and says in his manifesto that he will get rid of nuclear wepons he will lose and not have to say another word. His lack of clarity/conviction on the EU vote was also a bit of a disgrace
 
Blue Hefner said:
Labour did not lose the GE because they were not left wing enough.

Jeremy Corbyn is an idealist and a career opposer - he clearly cannot unite his fellow MPs, although they don't come out with much credit, and he's turning what could be a good moment to challenge to Tories into a self-indulgent crusade

He cannot connect with the middle ground. Yeah, the anarchists, students and liberal elite like him but not ordinary folks. If he stands up there and says in his manifesto that he will get rid of nuclear wepons he will lose and not have to say another word. His lack of clarity/conviction on the EU vote was also a bit of a disgrace
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Correct. The Tories now have an opposition leader who was born a silver spooned mansion dweller, a pro nuclear disarmament CND supporter, nationalisation freak, and a lover of Hamas and the IRA.
Throw in a deputy leader who is a all of the above, plus a self proclaimed marxist, and those 300,000 plus door knockers have one hell of a job on.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Is the correct answer.

The camouflage conservatives have tried, twice, to assert control of the party, cheating and lying in the process, and failed. Twice.

I'm not sure Corbyn will win a election but I'm 100% certain he will drastically increase the labour vote.

It is the MP's in the coup that want the labour party to be one of the professional big city classes, ignoring the poor, the weak, and the unlucky.

They tried to out-tory the tories with the hate for the weakest in our society and failed.

Jeremy Corbyn, an honest, decent, unafraid man. The country is a slightly nicer place today.
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Agree
 
The perfect fumble said:
Thanks for this post, I thought I was the only one.
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Don't worry, there are millions of us.

We just don't see our views represented in the papers, on the tv/radio because the "left wing" in the media aren't left wing at all.

Chukka umma or however you spell his name left wing, a friend of the working class? Behave.

Ditto most of the plp.

Personally I would deselect them all ,these coup members.

The metropolitan right infiltrated the labour party in the 90's, aided and abetted by Lord Kinnock and his political blood brother Blair.

They took the working class for granted, taking the view that you didn't have to work for them or their needs, you just needed to appear a bit less cruel than the tories.

And it worked.

Until ironically they banded together with the hard right to support the fascist EU and the poor,the left behind, the "thick scummy northeners" , we're finally given a voice in a vote that mattered.

It's no coincidence that Jeremy , a lifelong euro sceptic, was politically assassinated after brexit. Get rid of him, replace him with abother hard right labour leader, who will 'take us back into europe' and once again the main parties would be singing the same songs only in a different key.

He's a hero, and a rare breed. An decent man in politics.

Long may he continue.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Don't worry, there are millions of us.

We just don't see our views represented in the papers, on the tv/radio because the "left wing" in the media aren't left wing at all.

Chukka umma or however you spell his name left wing, a friend of the working class? Behave.

Ditto most of the plp.

Personally I would deselect them all ,these coup members.

The metropolitan right infiltrated the labour party in the 90's, aided and abetted by Lord Kinnock and his political blood brother Blair.

They took the working class for granted, taking the view that you didn't have to work for them or their needs, you just needed to appear a bit less cruel than the tories.

And it worked.

Until ironically they banded together with the hard right to support the fascist EU and the poor,the left behind, the "thick scummy northeners" , we're finally given a voice in a vote that mattered.

It's no coincidence that Jeremy , a lifelong euro sceptic, was politically assassinated after brexit. Get rid of him, replace him with abother hard right labour leader, who will 'take us back into europe' and once again the main parties would be singing the same songs only in a different key.

He's a hero, and a rare breed. An decent man in politics.

Long may he continue.
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Michael Foot mark 2, nice man, hopeless leader, and will go the same way. The right of the Labour party should now back their leader, and let him have everything he wants going into the next election. That way they can't be blamed when he crashes and burns. Seems the left need a crushing defeat every now and again in order to realise this country is not a hot bed of socialism.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Is the correct answer.

The camouflage conservatives have tried, twice, to assert control of the party, cheating and lying in the process, and failed. Twice.

I'm not sure Corbyn will win a election but I'm 100% certain he will drastically increase the labour vote.

It is the MP's in the coup that want the labour party to be one of the professional big city classes, ignoring the poor, the weak, and the unlucky.

They tried to out-tory the tories with the hate for the weakest in our society and failed.

Jeremy Corbyn, an honest, decent, unafraid man. The country is a slightly nicer place today.
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37% of the Labour vote, voted against Corbyn , you really 100% certain he will increase the Labour vote ?
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Don't worry, there are millions of us.

We just don't see our views represented in the papers, on the tv/radio because the "left wing" in the media aren't left wing at all.

Chukka umma or however you spell his name left wing, a friend of the working class? Behave.

Ditto most of the plp.

Personally I would deselect them all ,these coup members.

The metropolitan right infiltrated the labour party in the 90's, aided and abetted by Lord Kinnock and his political blood brother Blair.

They took the working class for granted, taking the view that you didn't have to work for them or their needs, you just needed to appear a bit less cruel than the tories.

And it worked.

Until ironically they banded together with the hard right to support the fascist EU and the poor,the left behind, the "thick scummy northeners" , we're finally given a voice in a vote that mattered.

It's no coincidence that Jeremy , a lifelong euro sceptic, was politically assassinated after brexit. Get rid of him, replace him with abother hard right labour leader, who will 'take us back into europe' and once again the main parties would be singing the same songs only in a different key.

He's a hero, and a rare breed. An decent man in politics.

Long may he continue.
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You may have better knowledge of this than me, so, do you think Labour will do better or worse than the last GE with Corbyn there?

I think he makes some very good points around inequality and the like but it's his other views that are the problem with me and, as it seems, the general public

We are not a country of socialists, so he needs to compromise to win votes
 
What an odious turd Corbyn is on the Andrew Marr show happy for lawyers to hound veterans.
 
Ok Corbyn at the next election, lets just start with one question that some may feel able to answer

How could anybody with a single ounce of sanity vote for a bloke that would do what he will to our armed forces? Debate finished in my book, the man is a bloody lunatic.
 
purplenose said:
Ok Corbyn at the next election, lets just start with one question that some may feel able to answer

How could anybody with a single ounce of sanity vote for a bloke that would do what he will to our armed forces? Debate finished in my book, the man is a bloody lunatic.
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Maybe he'll just scale down our armed forces until they are broadly in line with our actual status as a small island off the coast of Europe rather than this ridiculous notion we as a nation seem to foster that we are still some global military super power. Those days have gone, and frankly so have the days of us being invaded. We have nothing worth pinching by an invading force, even most of our women are dogs :-(
 
purplenose said:
Ok Corbyn at the next election, lets just start with one question that some may feel able to answer

How could anybody with a single ounce of sanity vote for a bloke that would do what he will to our armed forces? Debate finished in my book, the man is a bloody lunatic.
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Looks like he's lost another vote he never had.
 
purplenose said:
Ok Corbyn at the next election, lets just start with one question that some may feel able to answer

How could anybody with a single ounce of sanity vote for a bloke that would do what he will to our armed forces? Debate finished in my book, the man is a bloody lunatic.
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Sorry but if a soldier of any nation breaks international laws during combat, then they should be brought to account, but as for JC he never directly talked about the Iraq investigation this morning no matter how it is spun.

Admittedly Ihat has been a complete balls up with the way they have investigated the allegations made.

On the wider issue of Corbyn, a united party singing from the same hymn sheet has a chance against what will slowly become a fractured and waring tory party.

But unfortunately the self absorbed like Heidi Alexander and Lord Mitchell amongst others haven't learnt all this sniping is costi g wider support.
 
Helmet Cole said:
Maybe he'll just scale down our armed forces until they are broadly in line with our actual status as a small island off the coast of Europe rather than this ridiculous notion we as a nation seem to foster that we are still some global military super power. Those days have gone, and frankly so have the days of us being invaded. We have nothing worth pinching by an invading force, even most of our women are dogs :-(
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Blimey you're not over keen on your own country even bringing the Ladies into it.

We actually have the fifth biggest economy in the world and despite the best efforts of the Tories still the 4th biggest defence budget, we may not be the US or China but we do alright we aren't some minuscule third world nation. I for one consider myself quite fortunate to live in this country, it isn't perfect but a better place than most.
 
philiph20 said:
Blimey you're not over keen on your own country even bringing the Ladies into it.

We actually have the fifth biggest economy in the world and despite the best efforts of the Tories still the 4th biggest defence budget, we may not be the US or China but we do alright we aren't some minuscule third world nation. I for one consider myself quite fortunate to live in this country, it isn't perfect but a better place than most.
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Who said we were third world? Is it not a bit weird that an island nation off the coast of Europe has the 4th largest defense budget in the world? I'm all for UK plc as a trading nation, but not sure the hun, red army, Spanish navy are threatening john bull nowadays. I'd rather spend the money on schools and hospitals tbh
 
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