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Bigga said:
It's fair to say you're not a comic book reader; that's fine. The problem is, though, you miss the true arc of the characters introduced. 'Mr Terrific' is not token, he's canon to the DCEU. He's the top 3 brains in the world (he arguably thinks he's smarter than 'Bruce Wayne' and a par with 'Lex Luthor'). It's all debatable since 'Mr Terrific' is a relative newcomer in comparison to those two.

I wouldn't disagree, though, that the genre does think about diversity and that needs to be reflected as film goers, as much as Snyder used 'Cyborg' for such a component. However, Gunn integrates and utilises 'Mr Terrific' to genuine effect, so it's a plus for me.

As for your 'alien' thought process, I think 'Kent/ Kal El' holds on to what he believes he was on earth to do (and the Humanity) despite all the pressures of expectation from all sides.

Personally, I think you read that message differently than I.
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Once comics become cinema, the writers don't have the same leeway as their print brothers. Motivations, chemistry, and dynamic become difficult to get right - in effect, the believability.
I know the Mr T print character, however, I believe he was pushed into the story (to the level he is) for box ticking reasons and easy solutions to every script problem. I may be being unfair to Gunn, here, but my spider-senses are tingling ;)
Same way Supe was putting himself in peril for no real reason. He's lightning fast, yet gets out-thought my Luther remote controlling a pair of fists. He's an alien, but he will surrender himself to US authorities? Why not the UN? Why not not surrender and see where that leads?
The offered piece is US jingoism dressed as faux self-aware internationalism.

Or, it could just be a well made kid's film that nobody above the age of 12 should take serious.
 
burning blue soul said:
The only woman offered any intelligence was Lois. The others were parodies. Tits and teeth, or vacuous.
The black guys entire reason was as a plot devise to solve the writers problems, and as a racial box ticker.

What Supe says is at the behest of the scriptwriters. He's an alien until he dreams about his earth parents. He's an alien until his real parents are shown as tyrants. You need to suspend observation of plot and look more at message.
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Will disagree about Mr Terrific. If that was the writers intention he'd have been talking jive or being exaggerated.

Will also disagree about the women. There is only a few female characters - the only vacuous one was the lady that worked at the Daily Planet. Martha Kent was a mum, the Engineer was a bad ass and intelligent, and Eve (the one most there based on her looks) was underestimated by the men.

I'm not sure where I stand on the othering of Superman and the change from his krypton parents to his earthly ones. I suspect they were going for a your heritage or origins aren't as important as the choices you make which is basically the speech Clarke's dad gives him. He starts the movie living what he thinks is his "perfect" parents dream is for him then ends it living his messy humanity under his own agency. Or something

This is always the tension of art - what the creator says and what the audience hears aren't always the same thing.
 
burning blue soul said:
Once comics become cinema, the writers don't have the same leeway as their print brothers. Motivations, chemistry, and dynamic become difficult to get right - in effect, the believability.
I know the Mr T print character, however, I believe he was pushed into the story (to the level he is) for box ticking reasons and easy solutions to every script problem. I may be being unfair to Gunn, here, but my spider-senses are tingling ;)
Same way Supe was putting himself in peril for no real reason. He's lightning fast, yet gets out-thought my Luther remote controlling a pair of fists. He's an alien, but he will surrender himself to US authorities? Why not the UN? Why not not surrender and see where that leads?
The offered piece is US jingoism dressed as faux self-aware internationalism.

Or, it could just be a well made kid's film that nobody above the age of 12 should take serious.
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He surrenders to the US authorities to find his dog :)

Mr T plays a similar to the little white girl from Jurassic Park (I know this system) although he gets himself in less peril.
 
mrbelfry said:
He surrenders to the US authorities to find his dog :)

Mr T plays a similar to the little white girl from Jurassic Park (I know this system) although he gets himself in less peril.
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This is Superman we're talking about, here... Superman! ;)

Anyhoo, it's got flaws in my opinion. I will await the supergirl film to confirm or dispel my concerns for the art of action pic production.
 
burning blue soul said:
This is Superman we're talking about, here... Superman! ;)

Anyhoo, it's got flaws in my opinion. I will await the supergirl film to confirm or dispel my concerns for the art of action pic production.
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More powerful than a locomotive. faster than a speeding bullet. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound.

No mention of dog GPS in his super power list
 
heslops barnet said:
Willy’s books are very good reads as is listening to Richmond Fontaine & The Delines…….one of my few pleasures in life
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Lean on Pete was a punt from our local bookshop due to the notes on the back making comparisons to Steinbeck. Will definitely be looking out for more of his. A couple are available for 99p on the Kindle
 
burning blue soul said:
Once comics become cinema, the writers don't have the same leeway as their print brothers. Motivations, chemistry, and dynamic become difficult to get right - in effect, the believability.
I know the Mr T print character, however, I believe he was pushed into the story (to the level he is) for box ticking reasons and easy solutions to every script problem. I may be being unfair to Gunn, here, but my spider-senses are tingling ;)
Same way Supe was putting himself in peril for no real reason. He's lightning fast, yet gets out-thought my Luther remote controlling a pair of fists. He's an alien, but he will surrender himself to US authorities? Why not the UN? Why not not surrender and see where that leads?
The offered piece is US jingoism dressed as faux self-aware internationalism.

Or, it could just be a well made kid's film that nobody above the age of 12 should take serious.
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Firstly, Gunn is a comic book nerd and a screenwriter and all he's tried to do is marry a lot of things together, which is why it took him a long time to find an angle to come in from, repeating what I said earlier.

And secondly, I really understand the tokenism directors offer in film because the majority is written from the Caucasian eye's view of ethnic interaction. So, imagine trying to import that view from the comics interpreting Black interaction from the page to the screen. It's like a double Caucasian eye in that regard. I wasn't sure why 'Mr Terrific' needed any slight ebonic type and bombastic language to rep a Black man (a superintelligent one, at that) on screen. It was a little jarring to be fair, but thought this may have been a way for Gunn to 'ground' and relate the character, somewhat. Whilst I think he should have discussed the overt depiction with others whom the character supposed to represent, in the end, I found it minor compared to the overall effectiveness of the character on screen.

'Superman' putting himself in peri;? Sure, otherwise what's the point in making the film? There has to 'stakes' involved or the film would have lasted 10 mins, tops!

As for the 'alien surrendering himself to authorities', is this not a spin on what Snyder did? Both tried to present 'Superman' indicating himself as not a threat despite the fact he could smash everyone in milliseconds! And he does to the US as he lives there, no? He chooses to live in a place where he interacts or he could have just lived in the Antarctic away from Humanity.

ironically, Gunn addresses US jingoism to the audience and, somehow, you looked past it!!

But also, I agree, it could be a film made for 12 year olds that grown ups should ignore...
 
Bigga said:
Firstly, Gunn is a comic book nerd and a screenwriter and all he's tried to do is marry a lot of things together, which is why it took him a long time to find an angle to come in from, repeating what I said earlier.

And secondly, I really understand the tokenism directors offer in film because the majority is written from the Caucasian eye's view of ethnic interaction. So, imagine trying to import that view from the comics interpreting Black interaction from the page to the screen. It's like a double Caucasian eye in that regard. I wasn't sure why 'Mr Terrific' needed any slight ebonic type and bombastic language to rep a Black man (a superintelligent one, at that) on screen. It was a little jarring to be fair, but thought this may have been a way for Gunn to 'ground' and relate the character, somewhat. Whilst I think he should have discussed the overt depiction with others whom the character supposed to represent, in the end, I found it minor compared to the overall effectiveness of the character on screen.

'Superman' putting himself in peri;? Sure, otherwise what's the point in making the film? There has to 'stakes' involved or the film would have lasted 10 mins, tops!

As for the 'alien surrendering himself to authorities', is this not a spin on what Snyder did? Both tried to present 'Superman' indicating himself as not a threat despite the fact he could smash everyone in milliseconds! And he does to the US as he lives there, no? He chooses to live in a place where he interacts or he could have just lived in the Antarctic away from Humanity.

ironically, Gunn addresses US jingoism to the audience and, somehow, you looked past it!!

But also, I agree, it could be a film made for 12 year olds that grown ups should ignore...
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We are seeing things from a differing perspective. No worries.
 
moggymoz said:
JAWS in 4dx 3D,
50th Anniversary.
It was absolutely amazing.
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Took the kids to see a 4DX film last week, have to say, wasn't overly impressed. just felt a bit gimmicky to me, not really something that added to the film in my opinion.

Also, the 'sit back, relax' voiceover before the film started seemed somewhat ridiculous considering I spent the next 90 mins being thrown around in my seat.
 
Just got the last half hour of Grease. It does come across as pretty kitsch now. But God damn it; Olivia Newton John was stunning. The forerunner for Susannah Hoffs, definitely.
 
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