LAZY ATTITUDE, THE PLAYERS ARE TO BLAME

[Kippax.]

Robbo

So who is Richards' manager?

Capello or Hughes?

And why,along with Dunne, is he so crap now?

With Richards you make a valid point, maybe he needs to move on.

Dunne, hes passed it now imo. Hoof the ball and always makes silly mistakes

 

[u2fme2]

overpaid wankers

 

[whp.blue]

Appart from Zab, SWP, Kompany, Fernandez, Vassell (he does try, just shite) and Ireland the rest want fucking off with their "little club mentality" Because Hughes has put in a stricked training scheme and fitness routine and the players dont like it!! well fucking tough shit! you all get paid to play for the fans and put in a good innings. I wasnt one that went to Santander or West Brom but the fans that did "I SALUTE YOU" the club should refund the money for all your expences and take it out of the players wages that will fucking show them. Hughes you are doing what this club as needed to do a long time ago and fuck the shit out of this club!! Keep up the good work you are doing and it will soon pay off!!

LAZY FUCKING PLAYERS, FUCK OFF!! OUT OF MY CLUB!


*rant over*

this is a pro-hughes thread!

HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THIS IS A PROHughes POST ? when clearly it just shows some of Hughes short comings !
surely we pay a Manager to Manage and that must include getting the best out of the players at his disposal he clearly is not doing in this so he has failed in probably the most basic duty expected of him I.E. Man management so I agree with your main post about lazy players but the solution is
Hughes out

 

[gman07]

I'm a bit sick of seeing and hearing people constantly questioning the character of this squad.

Sure, there are some that have a flawed character and who probably need shipping out. Elano is too far gone imo and one or two others seem to now be just picking up a wage.

However, to suggest that huge chunks of the squad lack the character and desire of every other team in the league is ridiculous. That is what we are being fed by parts of the media at present and it stinks. It stinks of self serving leaks from inside the club. People who stand to gain (or keep their jobs).

Let me tell you this. Players like Dunne and Richards have showed huge amounts of character and desire to do well for this club as recently as last season. Yet they are now being slaughtered and made out to not give a shit, purely because they are in poor form. It's bollocks.

If they suddenly have become the sort of people to not give a shit, which they obviously haven't, then you have to question how the manager has managed to achieve this and lay the blame at his door.

The responsibility for the moral, performnce and results of a squad lays with the manager. That's how it is in football. The buck stops there. It stopped there for Ince, McAllister and Alladyce last season and its stopped there for every other manager who has been woeful throughout history.

So, lets talk about character.

What about the chracter of a man who constantly passes the buck. Constantly blames others for his faults. Constantly hints that the players are a bunch of bastards in order to somehow get out of a manager's responsibility for gaining anything even close to acceptable results. Constantly has blamed refs, linesmen and anyone else he can think of for any defeat during his management career. Constantly refuses to acknowledge his responsibility for pathetic, pathetic results.

And now he seems to be conducting a snide campaign through the media, designed at discrediting the players, deflecting attention away from him, saving his own skin and basically making excuses for the complete and utter breakdown in spirit and morale within the camp.

The buck stops with the manager.

He constantly embarrassed himself at Blackburn by moaning, bleating and cheating and now he seems to be doing it on a snider level.

Well, guess what mate. If the players refuse to perform for you and aren't interested then that's not an excuse. That's your fault. It's your responsibility as a manager not to let that situation develop.

If that's the case then you might as well go now as you obviously lack one of the basic skills of management - getting players to perform for you.

If its not the case then you had better go anyway as there is even less excuse for the shocking results and performances.

The buck stops with you, pal.

Fantastic post JMA!!! Great summary!!! It IS down to the manager... full stop... he cant blame anyone but himself... thats the way with every team, business, company... its down to the heads to sort things out not to blame others

 

[Bigga]

So, lets talk about character.

What about the chracter of a man who constantly passes the buck. Constantly blames others for his faults. Constantly hints that the players are a bunch of bastards in order to somehow get out of a manager's responsibility for gaining anything even close to acceptable results. Constantly has blamed refs, linesmen and anyone else he can think of for any defeat during his management career. Constantly refuses to acknowledge his responsibility for pathetic, pathetic results.

And now he seems to be conducting a snide campaign through the media, designed at discrediting the players, deflecting attention away from him, saving his own skin and basically making excuses for the complete and utter breakdown in spirit and morale within the camp.

The buck stops with the manager.

He constantly embarrassed himself at Blackburn by moaning, bleating and cheating and now he seems to be doing it on a snider level.

Well, guess what mate. If the players refuse to perform for you and aren't interested then that's not an excuse. That's your fault. It's your responsibility as a manager not to let that situation develop.

If that's the case then you might as well go now as you obviously lack one of the basic skills of management - getting players to perform for you.

If its not the case then you had better go anyway as there is even less excuse for the shocking results and performances.

The buck stops with you, pal.

SPOT

Fucking

ON

 

[CrawleyBlue]

I said it yesterday when watching the “performance” against WBA. I would break my own legs and arms to play and win for my team. I love City and it makes me sick when I see some of our players underperforming.

What I saw yesterday was half the team putting in a good effort and the other half wandering around like a bunch of idiots. The positional play was school boy and we shouldn’t have to scramble to get rid of the ball every time we have to defend.

I know a lot of people talk about vassell not being good enough. Same was said about Dickov.

I tell you what though, I’d shake both their hands and thank them for they will they show when they play.

 

[Soulboy]

Appart from Zab, SWP, Kompany, Fernandez, Vassell (he does try, just shite) and Ireland the rest want fucking off with their "little club mentality" Because Hughes has put in a stricked training scheme and fitness routine and the players dont like it!! well fucking tough shit! you all get paid to play for the fans and put in a good innings. I wasnt one that went to Santander or West Brom but the fans that did "I SALUTE YOU" the club should refund the money for all your expences and take it out of the players wages that will fucking show them. Hughes you are doing what this club as needed to do a long time ago and fuck the shit out of this club!! Keep up the good work you are doing and it will soon pay off!!

LAZY FUCKING PLAYERS, FUCK OFF!! OUT OF MY CLUB!


*rant over*

this is a pro-hughes thread!

Yet another one who has fallen for the "lazy players" bollocks.

Every new manager comes into a job looking for scapegoats. It's a managerial technique whereby you divide and conquer. You set player against player, you speak to your support that "it's not my fault", that the players just don't want to do it.

It doesn't matter if the self same players "did it" for numerous years before, they are the bastards to blame if it goes tits up, because they're "troublemakers".

I've seen the same shit at City for years.

Joe Royle came in, dropped Kinkladze, made him out to be the "reason" and still got us fuckin' relegated.

Hughes came in and the first thing he said was the usual bollocks of "the team is unfit and I'll get that sorted".

Seen any evidence of that so far? Are we fitter? Two goals in injury time in the past week suggest otherwise.

Stop falling for management speak. I knoew exacytly how it works, as i do it myself!

Ultimately, the manager is responsible for EVERYTHING. Every signing, every sale. Every tactic. every substitiution. Every part of the football team.

And if he's not, then what the fuck is he doing there picking up £3-5m a year?

All Hughes is doing is playing for time. "Give me the January window..." Then it'll be "We need these players to blend in..." Then it'll be "One more summer and it'll be my team.."

Playing for time.

Just look at what he does NOW and stop relying on what MIGHT happen.

 

[Soulboy]

I'm a bit sick of seeing and hearing people constantly questioning the character of this squad.

Sure, there are some that have a flawed character and who probably need shipping out. Elano is too far gone imo and one or two others seem to now be just picking up a wage.

However, to suggest that huge chunks of the squad lack the character and desire of every other team in the league is ridiculous. That is what we are being fed by parts of the media at present and it stinks. It stinks of self serving leaks from inside the club. People who stand to gain (or keep their jobs).

Let me tell you this. Players like Dunne and Richards have showed huge amounts of character and desire to do well for this club as recently as last season. Yet they are now being slaughtered and made out to not give a shit, purely because they are in poor form. It's bollocks.

If they suddenly have become the sort of people to not give a shit, which they obviously haven't, then you have to question how the manager has managed to achieve this and lay the blame at his door.

The responsibility for the moral, performnce and results of a squad lays with the manager. That's how it is in football. The buck stops there. It stopped there for Ince, McAllister and Alladyce last season and its stopped there for every other manager who has been woeful throughout history.

So, lets talk about character.

What about the chracter of a man who constantly passes the buck. Constantly blames others for his faults. Constantly hints that the players are a bunch of bastards in order to somehow get out of a manager's responsibility for gaining anything even close to acceptable results. Constantly has blamed refs, linesmen and anyone else he can think of for any defeat during his management career. Constantly refuses to acknowledge his responsibility for pathetic, pathetic results.

And now he seems to be conducting a snide campaign through the media, designed at discrediting the players, deflecting attention away from him, saving his own skin and basically making excuses for the complete and utter breakdown in spirit and morale within the camp.

The buck stops with the manager.

He constantly embarrassed himself at Blackburn by moaning, bleating and cheating and now he seems to be doing it on a snider level.

Well, guess what mate. If the players refuse to perform for you and aren't interested then that's not an excuse. That's your fault. It's your responsibility as a manager not to let that situation develop.

If that's the case then you might as well go now as you obviously lack one of the basic skills of management - getting players to perform for you.

If its not the case then you had better go anyway as there is even less excuse for the shocking results and performances.

The buck stops with you, pal.

Just read this. Absolutely excellent.

 

[ono]

To be fair he was right to leave Elano at home if he is being a disruptive influence. Obviously to the press he can't say 'I've left him at home because he is acting like a complete twat....as is Jo'

 

[Richard]

The players dont seem to realise the severity of the situation. There has been loads of quotes from them saying how we have been unlukcy and that results are bound to come soon. Errm fellas, were in the bottom three. The MAJORITY seem to think that they can just rely on their reputation instead of actually producing on the day. 'Ohh we have Robinho, there is no way we could go down'

 

[Frank H]

That was Sven who put him there

The quote you've highlighted was about Elano.We need ALL our players-especially the ones who can turn a game.The skill is to know how to use and manage them.MH does not appear to posess those skills.
And yes-Sven did put Richards at CB.The point is he looked ten times the player he does now.

So why is that?

My mind is not made up on Hughes - he may indeed be out of his depth. Only time will tell -of which he may not have much left.

But the difference between Richards last year and this may have nothing to do with Hughes.

Consider the situation at Everton. Last year, Lescott was generally superb, while Jagielka was regarded by many Evertonians as a waste of money. The earlier part of this season seemed to have reversed this. Lescott has generally been poor, while Jagielka is regarded by many Evertonians as the player of the season. Recently, Lescott has begun to show something of last season's form.

Everton have had the same manager throughout.

Even the best players go through periods of bad form.

It is usually pretty absurd to put all the blame for a situation on EITHER the manager OR the players. Usually both have some responsibility - as do others. Who precisely ought to receive the most flak for particular failures is known only to real insiders, and to God. I doubt if we have either on this forum.

 

[zandvoort blue]

I wasnt one that went to Santander or West Brom but the fans that did "I SALUTE YOU" the club should refund the money for all your expences and take it out of the players wages that will fucking show them.

Where do I claim my £600 from...........?

 

[Soulboy]

I find it bizarre that legions of City fans line up to berate OUR players, that they don't care, that they're lazy bastards, that we need to get shot off...

Why isn't the same question asked of the manager?

Has he put a shift in? Is he working his bollocks off... or is he just having an easy life, picking up easy money, knowing he's due a big pay-off when he gets sacked?

What work has Hughes actually done in his time at City?

Are we fitter? Are we better organised? Are we better at defending dead balls?

Are we better at scoring from free kicks? Are there any imaginative tactics being utilised? Is he better at PR? Does he even look excited when talking about us?

He shows no emotion on the touchline... he looks as if he really doesn't want to be here. Maybe he doesn't?

And we're paying about £3m a year for that contribution?

About time those criticising players for lack of effort looked at the total lack of effort by the manager.

I want a manager that works hard. That doesn't keep making stupid immature mistakes. That recognises he has to work for the 90 minutes the players are out on the pitch.

Lazy bastards doesn't only apply to players, you know?

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

I fear that you are preaching to the deaf, Soulboy.

Unfortuntely a lot of people are easily impressed by cliched nonsense.

Hughes comes in during the summer giving it the big 'I'm the man to sort them out' speil, talking bollocks about a 'football factory' and basically claiming that he is some sort of sergant major who builds crack footbll outfits and the clowns lap it up.

How easily they forget that numerous managers have spouted this bollocks before and that it is complete and utter spin and bollocks. Their counterparts would have said the same in the past about Ball, Souness, John Sitton and all the other two bit 'hard man' managers who think that a tough guy image is enough to make a good manager.

Now, having obviously completely failed in his own stated area of strength, they still buy into the 'it needs a hard man to crack down' bollocks that Hughes, Cook and their cronies are leaking to the media.

It completely ignores the finer points of management, but that's a bit too advanced for the cliche bunch.

Another good one that has been drummed into many over the years is that Fergie nd Wenger were given time, and look at them now. I'm not even going to start on the idiotic simplicity of the cretins that peddle this one as a catch all solution but, needless to say, its the biggest load of bollocks ever spouted in defence of a manager who is doing shit.

 

[Soulboy]

I fear that you are preaching to the deaf, Soulboy.

Unfortuntely a lot of people are easily impressed by cliched nonsense.

Hughes comes in during the summer giving it the big 'I'm the man to sort them out' speil, talking bollocks about a 'football factory' and basically claiming that he is some sort of sergant major who builds crack footbll outfits and the clowns lap it up.

How easily they forget that numerous managers have spouted this bollocks before and that it is complete and utter spin and bollocks. Their counterparts would have said the same in the past about Ball, Souness, John Sitton and all the other two bit 'hard man' managers who think that a tough guy image is enough to make a good manager.

Now, having obviously completely failed in his own stated area of strength, they still buy into the 'it needs a hard man to crack down' bollocks that Hughes, Cook and their cronies are leaking to the media.

It completely ignores the finer points of management, but that's a bit too advanced for the cliche bunch.

Another good one that has been drummed into many over the years is that Fergie nd Wenger were given time, and look at them now. I'm not even going to start on the idiotic simplicity of the cretins that peddle this one as a catch all solution but, needless to say, its the biggest load of bollocks ever spouted in defence of a manager who is doing shit.

The problem i have is that, unfortunately, my job is as a management consultant, so i know exactly what is required from a manager. And I extend those philosophies to my team's manager.

I've rarely got it wrong over the years with managers, I can see when they are bullshitting, when they are telling the public what they want to hear.

There's been but a handful of real quality City manager's over the years, but it's always horses for courses, some managers suit certain clubs, others don't.

In my humble opinion, Hufhes will NEVER get it back now, and I think we are simply delaying the inevitable.

Having said that, I'm fairly confident that we will be okay, and that the owners are no mugs. Things will be going on in the background, of that I'm sure, but it may take till next summer to see this sad chapter closed.

It's nice to read an intelligent poster who knows what they are talking about, and not the frequent witterings of simpletons.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Quick, let's form a smug, self satisfied, superior sub-forum

:)

 

[slicky202]

for fuck sake we gotaa remember is we are not a high flying team yet, better teams on papper have struggled this season.
we need to give hughes a chance to get the shit out an see what he can bring in.

after what has happend to spurs and newcastle we shouldnt be so suprised

 

[meldrew]

Anyone feel that the players who are underperforming are doing so due to the fact we are looking at strengthening in January and they feel that as though they may/may not be replaced, that they do not see the point in putting the effort in?

 

[slicky202]

Anyone feel that the players who are underperforming are doing so due to the fact we are looking at strengthening in January and they feel that as though they may/may not be replaced, that they do not see the point in putting the effort in?

could be. with a reported 200mil to spend tha cud buy a whole new squad so most of em will be shitting themselves.
but surely tha wud make you play harder if ur fighting for your job

 

[Belfastblue]

Spot on i thougt it was only me was cracking up.