Leader of EDL refused service in Selfridges

Have I broken any unwritten rules and crossed the Rubicon ?

Humble apologies guys.

Didn't want to offend anyone's sensitivities. Just thought there was a debate going on that seemed unusually uninformed for bluemooners where there is usually quite a high level of sophisticated debate and humour.

I shall depart this thread never to return.......Unless you really insist.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
tidyman said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
What does anyone know about the EDL ?

I saw Robinson interviewed on News Night by Paxman and Paxman didn't really have a go at him.

He said he would happily have muslim members in the EDL if they wanted to join. They already have many black or other ethnic members. They have a fringe that gets boisterous and drunk and noisy but is that any different than most parties or groups ?

He said that he wasn't attacking Islam. He was just attacking the 7th Century interpretation of the Koran that led to a 'significant' section of the muslim community believing that if a girl bleeds she is up for sex and hence all the past, current and future scandals with the grooming gangs (across all communties including muslim girls). He grew up in Luton and knows many female choolfriends who've been groomed and passed around the muslim business community as 'deal-clinchers'.

I found the guy quite interesting in that he fiercely believes in his views. He's been arrested a couple of times and they are on youtube. He did nothing. On one occasion a nutter attacked him and his mate as they were doing a charity walk for a young girl dying of cancer. They were being chaperoned by a female Police officer. He had agreed beforehand that he would not walk into 'dangerous' areas where his presence might cause difficulties. The nutter attacked them out of the blue and his mate, a big guy looking a little like Laurence De'Lallio was attacked. Rather than arrest the nutter, the WPC arrested Robinson.

He protested his innocence and said that if she had told him not to walk down a particular place then he wouldn't and if he had then she would be right to arrest him. He asked why she wasn't arresting the nutter who was still standing there watching it and she just said "we'll take care of that" and didn't. He pleaded with her to let him continue his charity wak and she refused and even though he wasn't resisting she arrested him

It's all on youtube and it is exactly as I describe it.

He's actually appeared on Nigerian chat shows on television. He openly debates about the 7th Century interpretation of the Koran which he objects to and takes on the so-called Islamic 'moderates' who are anything but 'moderate'. He gets quite a friendly reception from the Christian hosts in Nigeria whre they have a few issues going on and similar problems are recognised.

Again, all on youtube.

Can you get served by that guy if you belong to the Tory party or the UKIP ?

The guy should not be working in this country if he does not accept democracy and freedom of expression. I bet he wouldn't refuse to serve one of those taxi drivers in Rochdale, Oldham, Bradford, Dewsbury, Luton, Blackpool, Coventry (a new one), Newham, Oxford and Rotherham.

If you believe Tommy has many female Muslim friends, I think you may be slightly deluded.

If you believe any hyperthetical Muslim members of the EDL would be made welcome at an EDL rally, you're possibly bordeline insane.

I think your closing remarks probably contain the biggest clue as to where you're coming from though.


Is it only my closing remarks you take issue with tidyman ?

What does it matter anyway where I'm "coming from" ? Surely the expression of my views is enough and you can either agree or offer constructive comments in disagreement ?

Are you trying rather to tarnish my views by association rather than offer a constructive response ?

Not at all mate. Your views are as welcome as anyone's. I mentioned your closing remark because it is pretty much the only part of your post that is you offering an opinion. And I thought it was quite telling.

The rest is pretty much repeating Tommy's version of events on his nickings and the public version of some of his beliefs. I've no idea of the exact circumstances on his multiple recent arrests. As I doubt you do. I know the police tell a very different tale. Although I'm not inclined to automatically believe anything that lot say either.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
Have I broken any unwritten rules and crossed the Rubicon ?

Humble apologies guys.

Didn't want to offend anyone's sensitivities. Just thought there was a debate going on that seemed unusually uninformed for bluemooners where there is usually quite a high level of sophisticated debate and humour.

I shall depart this thread never to return.......Unless you really insist.

Yeah it was obvious you were trying to hide your support for the EDL and come across as somebody that has just come across them. You always twisted the truth and exaggerated in your defence of Tommy Robinson. So yeah I'd rather you didn't show yourself up again pal. Bye now.
 
tidyman said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
tidyman said:
If you believe Tommy has many female Muslim friends, I think you may be slightly deluded.

If you believe any hyperthetical Muslim members of the EDL would be made welcome at an EDL rally, you're possibly bordeline insane.

I think your closing remarks probably contain the biggest clue as to where you're coming from though.


Is it only my closing remarks you take issue with tidyman ?

What does it matter anyway where I'm "coming from" ? Surely the expression of my views is enough and you can either agree or offer constructive comments in disagreement ?

Are you trying rather to tarnish my views by association rather than offer a constructive response ?

Not at all mate. Your views are as welcome as anyone's. I mentioned your closing remark because it is pretty much the only part of your post that is you offering an opinion. And I thought it was quite telling.

The rest is pretty much repeating Tommy's version of events on his nickings and the public version of some of his beliefs. I've no idea of the exact circumstances on his multiple recent arrests. As I doubt you do. I know the police tell a very different tale. Although I'm not inclined to automatically believe anything that lot say either.



Tidyman, I can assure you I have never heard Robinson's version of his arrests.

I go on youtube very often and the video with the most hits often appears on the opening page.

I didn't even have a view on the guy and the EDL.

Go on youtube and do a search and form your own opinion.
 
Josh Blue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Have I broken any unwritten rules and crossed the Rubicon ?

Humble apologies guys.

Didn't want to offend anyone's sensitivities. Just thought there was a debate going on that seemed unusually uninformed for bluemooners where there is usually quite a high level of sophisticated debate and humour.

I shall depart this thread never to return.......Unless you really insist.

Yeah it was obvious you were trying to hide your support for the EDL and come across as somebody that has just come across them. You always twisted the truth and exaggerated in your defence of Tommy Robinson. So yeah I'd rather you didn't show yourself up again pal. Bye now.

Good old Josh stating he knows another member is an EDL sympathiser.

Must be great being you and knowing everything about everybody.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
tidyman said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Is it only my closing remarks you take issue with tidyman ?

What does it matter anyway where I'm "coming from" ? Surely the expression of my views is enough and you can either agree or offer constructive comments in disagreement ?

Are you trying rather to tarnish my views by association rather than offer a constructive response ?

Not at all mate. Your views are as welcome as anyone's. I mentioned your closing remark because it is pretty much the only part of your post that is you offering an opinion. And I thought it was quite telling.

The rest is pretty much repeating Tommy's version of events on his nickings and the public version of some of his beliefs. I've no idea of the exact circumstances on his multiple recent arrests. As I doubt you do. I know the police tell a very different tale. Although I'm not inclined to automatically believe anything that lot say either.



Tidyman, I can assure you I have never heard Robinson's version of his arrests.

I go on youtube very often and the video with the most hits often appears on the opening page.

I didn't even have a view on the guy and the EDL.

Go on youtube and do a search and form your own opinion.

I've already formed my opinion on Tommy and the EDL mate.

I'm working and don't have the time or the inclination to start searching through You Tube. I'm assuming the videos you're talking about have been submitted by Tommy himself or one of his associates. In which case you are repeating his version of events.
 
Bilboblue said:
Josh Blue said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
Have I broken any unwritten rules and crossed the Rubicon ?

Humble apologies guys.

Didn't want to offend anyone's sensitivities. Just thought there was a debate going on that seemed unusually uninformed for bluemooners where there is usually quite a high level of sophisticated debate and humour.

I shall depart this thread never to return.......Unless you really insist.

Yeah it was obvious you were trying to hide your support for the EDL and come across as somebody that has just come across them. You always twisted the truth and exaggerated in your defence of Tommy Robinson. So yeah I'd rather you didn't show yourself up again pal. Bye now.

Good old Josh stating he knows another member is an EDL sympathiser.

Must be great being you and knowing everything about everybody.

Pretty much mate.
 
tidyman said:
CITYBOY1000 said:
tidyman said:
Not at all mate. Your views are as welcome as anyone's. I mentioned your closing remark because it is pretty much the only part of your post that is you offering an opinion. And I thought it was quite telling.

The rest is pretty much repeating Tommy's version of events on his nickings and the public version of some of his beliefs. I've no idea of the exact circumstances on his multiple recent arrests. As I doubt you do. I know the police tell a very different tale. Although I'm not inclined to automatically believe anything that lot say either.



Tidyman, I can assure you I have never heard Robinson's version of his arrests.

I go on youtube very often and the video with the most hits often appears on the opening page.

I didn't even have a view on the guy and the EDL.

Go on youtube and do a search and form your own opinion.

I've already formed my opinion on Tommy and the EDL mate.

I'm working and don't have the time or the inclination to start searching through You Tube. I'm assuming the videos you're talking about have been submitted by Tommy himself or one of his associates. In which case you are repeating his version of events.


Hairy muff.

I'm working mate but like to be informed on subjects I express an opinion about.

The videos were just that. Videos. They tell the story as it happened. They are in real-time and unless they are doctored they are true.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter as you aren't really interested.
 
CITYBOY1000 said:
What does anyone know about the EDL ?

I saw Robinson interviewed on News Night by Paxman and Paxman didn't really have a go at him.

He said he would happily have muslim members in the EDL if they wanted to join. They already have many black or other ethnic members. They have a fringe that gets boisterous and drunk and noisy but is that any different than most parties or groups ?

He said that he wasn't attacking Islam. He was just attacking the 7th Century interpretation of the Koran that led to a 'significant' section of the muslim community believing that if a girl bleeds she is up for sex and hence all the past, current and future scandals with the grooming gangs (across all communties including muslim girls). He grew up in Luton and knows many female choolfriends who've been groomed and passed around the muslim business community as 'deal-clinchers'.

I found the guy quite interesting in that he fiercely believes in his views. He's been arrested a couple of times and they are on youtube. He did nothing. On one occasion a nutter attacked him and his mate as they were doing a charity walk for a young girl dying of cancer. They were being chaperoned by a female Police officer. He had agreed beforehand that he would not walk into 'dangerous' areas where his presence might cause difficulties. The nutter attacked them out of the blue and his mate, a big guy looking a little like Laurence De'Lallio was attacked. Rather than arrest the nutter, the WPC arrested Robinson.

He protested his innocence and said that if she had told him not to walk down a particular place then he wouldn't and if he had then she would be right to arrest him. He asked why she wasn't arresting the nutter who was still standing there watching it and she just said "we'll take care of that" and didn't. He pleaded with her to let him continue his charity wak and she refused and even though he wasn't resisting she arrested him

It's all on youtube and it is exactly as I describe it.

He's actually appeared on Nigerian chat shows on television. He openly debates about the 7th Century interpretation of the Koran which he objects to and takes on the so-called Islamic 'moderates' who are anything but 'moderate'. He gets quite a friendly reception from the Christian hosts in Nigeria whre they have a few issues going on and similar problems are recognised.

Again, all on youtube.

Can you get served by that guy if you belong to the Tory party or the UKIP ?

The guy should not be working in this country if he does not accept democracy and freedom of expression. I bet he wouldn't refuse to serve one of those taxi drivers in Rochdale, Oldham, Bradford, Dewsbury, Luton, Blackpool, Coventry (a new one), Newham, Oxford and Rotherham.
What do I know about the EDL? They're a bunch of vile racist football hooligans, with charge sheets and video records to match:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGAEBcN_9pU[/youtube]
This video shows Tommy Robinson speaking next to the North East's EDL organiser (the geordie off camera). saying "send the black cunts home", other than saying send those n-word to the gas chambers, "send the black cunts home" is about as racist as it gets.

Paul Harris/Stephen Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson) has only just finished a prison term for entering the United States on a false passport. If that's a Muslim, especially one who frequented a dodgy mosque, I guarantee that person gets more than the ten months Stephen Lennon got.

Yes, the police can tell people the routes so as to avoid deliberate provocation - which is usually the EDL's aim i.e. like trying to march through Tower Hamlets, the country's biggest Muslim population area. Now whether you agree with it or not, and I am the most persistent free-speech advocate on this forum and I'd invite anyone to challenge that statement, there's actually something to be said for free speech not being deliberately provocative. The idea of freedom of speech is a free spread of ideas to groups of people who are volunteering to listen to you and can come and join you in order to do so - freedom of assembly, those rights should be fiercely and absolutely protected (and strangely I often feel very alone when I voice the amount of attacks there have been on these basic civil liberties in the past twenty-five years, and especially the last decade). The EDL should never be prevented from organising rallies, but should the police be able to say, why the area with the highest Muslim population in Britain? I think that's probably alright. But, even forgetting that, let's assume that law is a bad law, and the police shouldn't have that power, the fact is; THEY DO. So they are perfectly entitled to enforce it. It is not a conspiracy, police change routes and areas of protests and rallies all the time. Tommy Robinson is not special and if he falls afoul of the law is subject to them. If you are even vaguely aware of political protest movements around the world you should know that police frequently make pre-emptive arrests, where rarely charges are brought. In other countries, including Europe i.e. Greece, Spain, Italy, people doing nothing wrong at all too often get, not just arrested, but beaten. It's the same at football as well. Tommy Robinson is not some poor targeted martyr. If you're in that world, that's what happens. Anyway, I doubt the poor mite will have been damaged or disturbed by one little arrest when you look at his criminal record:

Searchlight magazine identified the "Tommy Robinson" involved with the EDL as Lennon, and reported that he had served a twelve-month prison sentence for assaulting an off-duty police officer who had intervened to stop a domestic incident between Lennon and his partner Jenna Vowles.[17] He has been convicted for drug offences, and in 2005 for assault.[20]

On 24 August 2010, Robinson was involved in a fight between supporters of Luton Town and Newport County in Luton, on the evening the two clubs played at Kenilworth Road. Lennon reportedly led the group of Luton fans, and played an integral part in starting the 100-man brawl, during which he chanted "EDL till I die". Eleven months later, in July 2011, he was convicted of having used "threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour" on the night of the incident. He was given a 12-month community rehabilitation order and a three-year ban from attending football matches. He was also sentenced to 150 hours' unpaid work, and ordered to pay £650 in costs.[21]

Robinson was arrested after an EDL demonstration in Tower Hamlets on 3 September 2011 for breach of bail conditions, as he had been banned from attending the demonstration. After his arrest, Robinson began a hunger strike in custody in Bedford Prison, saying he was a "political prisoner of the state"[22] and refused to eat what he believed was halal meat.[23] A local paper reported that Bedford Prison sources said the hunger strike lasted less than 24 hours.[24] A handful of EDL supporters protested outside the prison in support of Robinson during his incarceration, peaking in a turnout of 100 protesters on 10 September.[25][26][27] Robinson was released from prison on 12 September.[28]

On 29 September 2011 he was convicted of common assault after headbutting a fellow EDL member at a rally in Blackburn in April that year. [29] He was given a 12-week jail term, suspended for 12 months.[30]

On 8 November 2011, Robinson held a protest against the ban on wearing a poppy for the England team on the rooftop of the FIFA building in Zurich. He was fined £3000 and jailed for three days.[31]

On 28 November 2012, Robinson was charged with three counts of conspiracy to commit fraud by false representation in relation to a mortgage application. [32]

On 7 January 2013 Robinson pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using someone else's passport—"possession of a false identity document with improper intention"—to travel to the United States in September 2012, and was sentenced to 10 months imprisonment.[20] He was sentenced under the name of Stephen Lennon, but the judge added that he suspected it was not his true name, in the sense that it was not the name on his own passport (not the borrowed one), Paul Harris. Robinson was released on electronic tag on 22 February 2013.[33]

On 29 June 2013 Robinson was arrested for allegedly obstructing police after attempting to do a charity walk dedicated to the Death of Lee Rigby.[34]
Numerous violent crimes in there, such a lovely guy.
 

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