Leadership

It is still possible and perfectly acceptable to win 1-0 though. Something we had the chance to do in all three games we lost. You don’t have to win 5-0 every game
Couldn't agree more, there's also nothing wrong with having 10 men behind the ball when leading and playing on the counter. This trait of complacency and not digging in has cost us big time this season.
 
Possibly debatable as the whether this point is down to leadership or not but think it might be not suitable in this thread:

Why didn't Fernandinho get a shout for the pen? He had no idea that other player was coming for him but ederson and other players were close enough to him to give him a shout but they can't have, surely?
 
We have some very bright people running our club but they really should have learnt by now that you have to do more after winning a title.

Yup, and in not having done so, they’ve just stoked up potential problems for next season. If we’ve ballsed up in the transfer market before, it hasn’t been such an issue because we always had that magnificent core (Kompers, Sergio, Dave, Ya Ya, Ferna, Zab) to keep us at a relatively exalted level regardless. Now however, we’re going to lose Dave, Kompers, Sergio and Ferna in the next 1 to 2 years, whilst we still have clear issues in both full back berths (Mendy is Rodwell mkII, a perpetual sick note, and Walker is an accident waiting to happen every week), and a £60m wet lettuce on the bench that the manager doesn’t even trust to bring on when we’re 2-1 down with 10 minutes left in games with the title on the line.
If the club’s policy (re Frenkie De Jong) is to refuse to pay “over the odds” for anyone, then we’re going to have some serious issues in the fairly immediate future, not least a very unhappy manager
 
Yup, and in not having done so, they’ve just stoked up potential problems for next season. If we’ve ballsed up in the transfer market before, it hasn’t been such an issue because we always had that magnificent core (Kompers, Sergio, Dave, Ya Ya, Ferna, Zab) to keep us at a relatively exalted level regardless. Now however, we’re going to lose Dave, Kompers, Sergio and Ferna in the next 1 to 2 years, whilst we still have clear issues in both full back berths (Mendy is Rodwell mkII, a perpetual sick note, and Walker is an accident waiting to happen every week), and a £60m wet lettuce on the bench that the manager doesn’t even trust to bring on when we’re 2-1 down with 10 minutes left in games with the title on the line.
If the club’s policy (re Frenkie De Jong) is to refuse to pay “over the odds” for anyone, then we’re going to have some serious issues in the fairly immediate future, not least a very unhappy manager

Who already seems to be looking more unhappy the longer the season goes on!

Totally agree though. The 100 points and title winning gap has lulled the powers that be into a false sense of security. The points tally is still good by historical standards but this run from the Chelsea game onwards is terrible. The cup games have glossed over the problems.
 
With Vinny on that pitch last night, we don't lose, IMO

May not have changed the result, but he would have kicked some arse in and out of that dressing room.

Pep does not look the same guy over the last few weeks, very subdued, and it is showing in the team. I just hope that missing out on de Jong and Jorginhio is not pissing him off.
 
As long as I can remember in sport, complacency is the concern for the greatest teams. I was always amazed at how Pep's Barca seemed to be relentless in this aspect like few teams before it but it's clear that it requires more than great coaching to achieve it - you have to have the right collection of players, mindsets, dedication etc. to deliver and be immune to complacency. I never went into matches thinking they would be flat or unmotivated to win, even when they didn't - the effort was always there and that was something I looked forward to every match

What I saw last night reflected a bit of what Guardiola talks about from time to time in something City needs to learn to become one of the greatest teams/clubs, they have to compete in moments like these and show the character & courage you expect from champions. They have done it in moments but not nearly consistent enough

There are mitigating circumstances of course. Walker appears to be going through a difficult patch in his career, seemingly less sure of himself and Danilo is a band-aid compared to what Mendy can provide. KDB is only recovering from a lengthy injury spell and even he lacked much spark for the majority of the match. Overall, they painfully lack any sort of rhythm which is understandable to a degree considering the injuries and inconsistency in lineups. Of course, I thought that was why Pep made some of the substitutions in the last 2 matches, thinking ahead to this potential banana peel. I am just most surprised by the lack of energy to rise to the occasion knowing how much of a bogey match this was - it was decidedly not the tempo I expected to see on the pitch. When Pep sat down on the bench after an initially good start to the 2nd half, you could see the resignation that his team simply weren't going to deliver after being so animated in the first half. Presumably that halftime speech did not do quite enough to light that fire

Some speculation on social media that perhaps these things work in cycles and players simply have been unable to maintain the intensity for such a long stretch and as even Pep says it is much easier to motivate getting to the top than staying motivated to maintain your place at the top much less improve upon it. I don't know but while I liked what Guardiola had to say in the post match I wonder what he is thinking about the genuine lack of protagonists on the pitch for him
 
Pep couldn't motivate them tonight when the needed lifting. Just poor all round. This is not a criticism, more an observation, City play in Peps image. He is the brains behind how we play 100%. If how we play doesnt work, Im not sure the players can respond in any other way than rinse and repeat. Players are expected to execute the game plan not show individual leadership.
But we are capable of playing in another way as the win against Liverpool demonstrated. We obviously aren't limited to rinse and repeat. Blood and mud is there if needed. Even at 1-1 last night there was no sign of applying a different approach. Whether that was down to Pep, the players or a combination of both I don't know. But it's frustrating to know that we are more than one-dimensional but seem unable to apply it when the situation merits it
 
Possibly debatable as the whether this point is down to leadership or not but think it might be not suitable in this thread:

Why didn't Fernandinho get a shout for the pen? He had no idea that other player was coming for him but ederson and other players were close enough to him to give him a shout but they can't have, surely?
Especially from Danilo. He must have looked up after his pass and realised he’s cocked it up playing to the wrong side of Fernandinho. So why he couldn’t immediately shout to his compatriot to let him know of the danger I don’t know. Everything about us was meek.
 
But we are capable of playing in another way as the win against Liverpool demonstrated. We obviously aren't limited to rinse and repeat. Blood and mud is there if needed. Even at 1-1 last night there was no sign of applying a different approach. Whether that was down to Pep, the players or a combination of both I don't know. But it's frustrating to know that we are more than one-dimensional but seem unable to apply it when the situation merits it
I really dont know what was going on last night. Our strongest team on paper and they never looked capable of creating the number of chances we needed to win that game. Pep was as animated as ever in the first half of the first half. He clearly could see that we were having one of those nights despite the early goal. Then he slumped in his chair for the rest of the game with at first his head in his hands and then increasingly a look of real disgust at what he was watching. I cant read his emotions but that is what his face said to me. Everybody was guilty of mis passing and the tempo of play was as slow as I have seen it. The two or three times we attacked quickly and precisely we scored and cut them open the other two times. The thing that worried me most was the response when the penalty went in. There wasnt one.
 
Yup, and in not having done so, they’ve just stoked up potential problems for next season. If we’ve ballsed up in the transfer market before, it hasn’t been such an issue because we always had that magnificent core (Kompers, Sergio, Dave, Ya Ya, Ferna, Zab) to keep us at a relatively exalted level regardless. Now however, we’re going to lose Dave, Kompers, Sergio and Ferna in the next 1 to 2 years, whilst we still have clear issues in both full back berths (Mendy is Rodwell mkII, a perpetual sick note, and Walker is an accident waiting to happen every week), and a £60m wet lettuce on the bench that the manager doesn’t even trust to bring on when we’re 2-1 down with 10 minutes left in games with the title on the line.
If the club’s policy (re Frenkie De Jong) is to refuse to pay “over the odds” for anyone, then we’re going to have some serious issues in the fairly immediate future, not least a very unhappy manager
you mention Mendy as a sick note & Mahrez as a wet lettuce, both Pep signings I'm afraid, he plays strong teams in the cups instead of some of the kids, Phil should of played tonite instead of Merlin, how is he supposed to learn if he doesn't play, Garcia as well, give them game time there not scared the manager is.
 
you mention Mendy as a sick note & Mahrez as a wet lettuce, both Pep signings I'm afraid, he plays strong teams in the cups instead of some of the kids, Phil should of played tonite instead of Merlin, how is he supposed to learn if he doesn't play, Garcia as well, give them game time there not scared the manager is.

This year the League Cup should have be used entirely for kids, especially with a vast majority of the 1st team squad not having a break due to the World Cup.

A majority of our players look totally shattered, they have played a hell of a lot of intense football over the last 18 months.
 

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