Leaving out Elano

JohnMaddocksAxe said:
If I had suggested that he gve away 5 or 6 passes for every successful one then it might be justified to suggest I am an idiot for doing so.
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This is what you said:

JohnMaddocksAxe said:
This might be eyecatching but I honestly believes that those who defend him are falling into the 'Beckham syndrome'. Ie: 5 or 6 attempts to get a pass to do something spectacular which give the ball away, yet when one succeeds in finding its target all the others are forgoten.
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Fact is Hughes hasn't played Elano in his preferred position because of the arrival of Robinho and Irelands excellent contribution further forward which resulted in Elano playing in a deeper role on the left.

Elano has tried to compensate by pinging 60 yard balls which rarely come off, or linking up with Robinho who invariably was closest to him. Unfortunately he can't cut the mustard in the engine room in the Premiership and quickly became frustrated (pissing off Hughes at the same time).

It appears Hughes has now alienated him with his style of management and I doubt we will never see him pull on a City shirt again. Instead we have to watch clowns like Vassell who cannot perform in his best position never mind when he is played out of position.

It is this inflexibility of Hughes and his management style that believe will quickly alienate (if not already) the more gifted players, never mind the supporters as we resort to Richard Dunne launching more and more 50 yard bombs to ineffectual grafters to chase down.

Hughes seems to be putting square pegs in round holes ala SP as long as those square pegs can put a shift in.

Sick of it
 
I'd much rather keep Elano than Hughes. Setanta are spot on when they question Hughes about picking Benjani or Vassell over Elano.

I am sick and tired of Hughes' pathetic attempts to use Elano as a scapegoat for his inability to manage our team.
If Elano's performance was not good enough to pick him against West Brom or at least put him on the bench, how are Vassell's, Benjani's , Richard's , Dunne's, Fernandes' performances good enough.

I am seriously getting so pissed off everytime Hughes opens his mouth now!
 
Elano is one of the most talented players we've got at the club and i'd be gutted to lose him in January especially considering he's not been given a proper run of games in a more advanced position which is where he's best. It's seems that Hughes is willing to give Benjani and Vassell a run of games where they do very little yet still don't get dropped however as soon as Elano has one bad game he's dropped to the bench and then to not pick him in the squad against the worst team in the premiership because 'he's not been up to stratch' is fucking ridiculous

Despite him not being great this season he's still had some good games despite playing in a deeper position than he's played previously. His use of the ball is excellent most times and we've all seen what he's capable as he shown last season and has shown at times this season, why get rid of a player who is quite clearly good enough to be in the squad? It makes no sense to me at all, surely it would make sense to get rid of the players who don't have much quality before getting rid of the likes of Elano unless Hughes is getting rid because of differences between himself and Elano
 
Uhhh Setanta?

Please pray tell where us where Elano should play and replace

Swp? No

Kompany uhhh? No

Robinho?

Ireland? Sure lets drop Ireland UHHH No


The fact is the strikers(Direct) who Hughes inherited are either

Sturridge, Caicedo, Evans, Jo all inexperienced

Or

Benjani, Vassell, Castillo all useless

Bojinov, Petrov both long term injured.

It makes me sick when I read that Jo was a Hughes signing.


Front six by this reasoning would be.

SWP IRELAND KOMPANY ROBINHO

ELANO

GOD HELP US

Looks slightly lightweight to me

possibly it may be however, until Petrov returns if ever

Ireland Kompany Robinho SWP

Caicedo Jo

Speaking with a couple of Chelsea mates whilst discussing our current dire predicament (who were not taking the piss) said that he was quite comfortable when SWP was required to play on the left by Mourinho, he is a pro footballer after all.

As one said it today, if it had been Henry who scored our Goal or Torres on Saturday, it would have been hailed as Genius.
 
I would have been comfotable having Elano play off Benjani from the start on the weekend, and I think he would have been much more likely to make a contribution than Vass.

I'd also look at Gelson, like the lad but do we really need two defensive midfielders against West Brom?
 
moomba said:
I would have been comfotable having Elano play off Benjani from the start on the weekend, and I think he would have been much more likely to make a contribution than Vass.

I'd also look at Gelson, like the lad but do we really need two defensive midfielders against West Brom?
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When Gelson came we said one for the future, unfortunately the future has arrived.
 
NICKS BACK said:
Uhhh Setanta?

Please pray tell where us where Elano should play and replace

Swp? No

Kompany uhhh? No

Robinho?

Ireland? Sure lets drop Ireland UHHH No


The fact is the strikers(Direct) who Hughes inherited are either

Sturridge, Caicedo, Evans, Jo all inexperienced

Or

Benjani, Vassell, Castillo all useless

Bojinov, Petrov both long term injured.

It makes me sick when I read that Jo was a Hughes signing.


Front six by this reasoning would be.

SWP IRELAND KOMPANY ROBINHO

ELANO

GOD HELP US

Looks slightly lightweight to me

possibly it may be however, until Petrov returns if ever

Ireland Kompany Robinho SWP

Caicedo Jo

Speaking with a couple of Chelsea mates whilst discussing our current dire predicament (who were not taking the piss) said that he was quite comfortable when SWP was required to play on the left by Mourinho, he is a pro footballer after all.

As one said it today, if it had been Henry who scored our Goal or Torres on Saturday, it would have been hailed as Genius.
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Play Elano as a Center Forward in a 4-4-2:

---------Hart-------------
Zab Richards Dunne Garrido
-------Kompany------------
Sweep----Ireland----Robinho
------Elano-----------------
------------Sturridge/Jo--
 
Elano is a bad influence on the team from what i have heard, and regardless of his ability, he needs to be shifted out and quick. If you read the sub-text of Hughes' quotes from Sunday, his words were:

"We have a group of players committed to the cause and working hard." Now read this and it undoubtedly refers to the fact that not all of the players fall into this category, or he would have said squad or team. There is an obvious divide, and some players here are on borrowed time (TF!). These were the same bunch that lay down and took an 8-1 hammering when things didn't go their own way in May. The sooner the dead wood is gone the better.

If the team ethic does not suit you, and you are not appreciated by the management team, then you are out.

The team matters more. I won't particularly cry over Elano, he's certainly replaceable.
 
Well the group of players (without Elano) certainly did the business for us on Sunday against the bottom side.
 
That points to a pretty poor squad rather than Elano's undoubted ability. If you were running a business and your best salesman stuck one on you, what would you do, shine his shoes and buy him a new M5?

Hughes needs as much time as he needs to replace much of a pretty poor squad, from top to bottom.
 
EVIL said:
That points to a pretty poor squad rather than Elano's undoubted ability. If you were running a business and your best salesman stuck one on you, what would you do, shine his shoes and buy him a new M5?

Hughes needs as much time as he needs to replace much of a pretty poor squad, from top to bottom.
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It was a decent enough squad last season when we finished 9th. That was before we added £80m worth of players to it.

And if I was running a business and my best salesman stuck one on me I wouldn't give up a cash cow for the sake of my ego.
 
EVIL said:
Elano is a bad influence on the team from what i have heard, and regardless of his ability, he needs to be shifted out and quick. If you read the sub-text of Hughes' quotes from Sunday, his words were:

"We have a group of players committed to the cause and working hard." Now read this and it undoubtedly refers to the fact that not all of the players fall into this category, or he would have said squad or team. There is an obvious divide, and some players here are on borrowed time (TF!). These were the same bunch that lay down and took an 8-1 hammering when things didn't go their own way in May. The sooner the dead wood is gone the better.

If the team ethic does not suit you, and you are not appreciated by the management team, then you are out.

The team matters more. I won't particularly cry over Elano, he's certainly replaceable.
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Had problems with Shakhtar coach. Was a factor is SGE leaving last season, and he falls out with Hughes this season.
 
The expenditure you quote is certainly not that initiated by Hughes, his signings amount to a fraction of that. Do you dispute the quality of signings that SWP, Kompany and Zabaleta are given the fees involved, compared to the likes of Robinho and Jo?

You wll also find that this is the squad that luckily had a decent start under SGE and then capitulated to near relegation at season's end.

Hughes is about team ethic. Teams win trophies. That's not ego, that's management. I am certain that if the business were your own, you would take a very different outlook. You only have to look at how the elite managers respond to disuptive players in the dressing-room to see what the best model is.
 
Marvin said:
EVIL said:
Elano is a bad influence on the team from what i have heard, and regardless of his ability, he needs to be shifted out and quick. If you read the sub-text of Hughes' quotes from Sunday, his words were:

"We have a group of players committed to the cause and working hard." Now read this and it undoubtedly refers to the fact that not all of the players fall into this category, or he would have said squad or team. There is an obvious divide, and some players here are on borrowed time (TF!). These were the same bunch that lay down and took an 8-1 hammering when things didn't go their own way in May. The sooner the dead wood is gone the better.

If the team ethic does not suit you, and you are not appreciated by the management team, then you are out.

The team matters more. I won't particularly cry over Elano, he's certainly replaceable.
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Had problems with Shakhtar coach. Was a factor is SGE leaving last season, and he falls out with Hughes this season.
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How???
 
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