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Legalised American Murder...
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...olice-arizona-philip-brailsford-daniel-shaver
This article gives some interesting legal background
This article gives some interesting legal background
Bigga
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Because they are white?
It's what you are implying.
As horrific as this case is, do we have to have it on this forum? It's not nice to watch. Disturbing really. There are minors on here.
First of all, I have described what the implications are of watching the video. I have highlighted the graphic and distressing nature of it in a spoiler tag. If you wish to complain to the mods and have the thread removed, do so.
That's your call.
Secondly, I get the 'implication' you're seeing, but that's a side issue; a derivative of what happened for both families.
My point was more constructive; how would witnessing a murder of your father and partner weigh any less than not seeing it?
In circumstances like this you throw the net as wide as possible and sue every party involved in the hope that at least one of them will be deemed culpable. That's why they've even gone after the hotel where it happened. The $75m figure is simply what the family are claiming as damages against all these parties; the final payout won't be anything like as high.
Thanks, that clears up a lot.
I was of the thinking that it was a suit against the city/ PD alone.
I was listening to a podcast the other day about this kind of incident. Apparently the only part of this kind of sequence that is 'relevent' is the moment that caused the police officer to fire. I've not seen the video but in this case would appear to be Shaver reaching for his waistband. Absolutely nothing else is considered 'relevent' but the one moment. So the question becomes - ignoring every single thing leading up to that moment is it 'reasonable' to assume a mean reaching for his waistband may have a weapon?
My own personal opinion is that most of these actions are created by fear. If you look at the death of Philando Castile for example the cops are still shouting at him as he's bleeding to death. This is a country terrified of each other. It must be extremely difficult being a police officer especially in a country where people are armed BUT they should be demanding better
A couple of points; I disagree the actions displayed by the officer were fear driven. He was calm and authoritative. In fact, you could argue this was 'power porn' for him. The argument for an action of a 'fearful mindset' in this officer evaporates when you realise what his gun reads. He's clearly wanted a moment like this to happen.
I would think his mindset was that he goes into 'the war zone' every day.
The other point, as I've mentioned before is the late Shaver's body position at all points would most likely reveal if he had a gun on his person, with all the contortions he was put through.
Unfortunately, for Mr Shaver, he tried to second guess what the officer wanted him to do, which his reactions show. Ultimately knowing that this could end his life after seeing recent events of police shootings as he pleads not to be shot.
Everything he does is a natural fear and it gets him murdered.
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Yes the second guessing and pulling his pants up......fatal mistakes.
Sad very very sad
Sad very very sad
dronefromsector7G
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It simply should never have reached that stage. Isn't there a protocol to follow whereby a suspect is cuffed at the earliest opportunity? Was the command to crawl forwards made because they thought someone else was lurking behind the victim?
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It simply should never have reached that stage. Isn't there a protocol to follow whereby a suspect is cuffed at the earliest opportunity? Was the command to crawl forwards made because they thought someone else was lurking behind the victim?
This. What did making the suspects crawl gain tactically?
They had them face down, on the floor with feet crossed and hands behind heads and at that point with multiple officers on scene one covers with their firearm whilst the other moves in and cuffs/searches the subject.
Its basic, absolutely basic stuff yet the officers dont do it and instead give the suspects every opportunity to do something wrong (in their eyes and minds) and give them the excuse to execute them.
dronefromsector7G
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Exactly. Didn't see anything to suggest he'd not followed any rules which is scary when you consider a man's life was at stake. The cop was up for shooting right from the start. I hope he gets what's coming to him at some point.This. What did making the suspects crawl gain tactically?
They had them face down, on the floor with feet crossed and hands behind heads and at that point with multiple officers on scene one covers with their firearm whilst the other moves in and cuffs/searches the subject.
Its basic, absolutely basic stuff yet the officers dont do it and instead give the suspects every opportunity to do something wrong (in their eyes and minds) and give them the excuse to execute them.
Mental. I understand many people in the police force are under immense stress and could even be suffering from PTSD with some of the stuff they encounter but this doesn't help the relations between civilians and the police, which are thin. What's even sadder is the fact the man faces no prison time or repercussion.
Utterly disgusting. Disgusting that these cowardly bullies killed a person for nothing and disgusting that they were not found guilty of murder. I won't openly wish for some bad luck to befall these killers, but if it did I think I would really struggle to have any sympathy for them. Scum.
Grassland Blue
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The word 'freeze ' springs to my mind.I don’t know what to say after watching that. I really wish I hadn’t now.
Why wasn’t the bloke just restrained as early as possible. The copper could have explained clearly that he’s not to move an inch and to keep his hands on the back of his head with his nose firmly to the ground while he approaches him to apply cuffs.
That copper goes Home firmly believing that he does a good job and keeps the community safe. No community is safe with policing like that.
I’d be so ashamed to be an American at the moment.
The court decision defies belief.