Lescott goal v Cheslea (offside?)

PIG

P- Plays the ball
I- Interferes with play
G- Gains an advantage

If any player, whilst in an offside position P&I or having been in an offside position G, then they are to be considered offside.

Phases of play are complexed beasts. However suffice to say, if the ball is being cleared and hits a forward who had been stood in an offside position at the moment the first attempt at goal was made, and the subsequent clearance hits that player and goes in the goal, he is considered to have gained an advantage.
 
After the lino puts his flag up, and the camera cuts to him, you can see him say "F*** Me, Thats Close"
 
typically there was no replay during or after the match on ITV which made me suspect it should have been a goal

needless to say there was loads of replays of our second goal!!!

they even replayed Jovetic's dive more than the Lescott goal
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
alib said:
typically there was no replay during or after the match on ITV which made me suspect it should have been a goal

needless to say there was loads of replays of our second goal!!!

they even replayed Jovetic's dive more than the Lescott goal

The AGENDA keeps on rollin'!!


just pointing out the facts!!
 
bluemooninho said:
Weren't the rules changed slightly in the summer?

In the past, if a defender purposefully kicks/heads the ball and it goes to an offside player, he was still deemed as offside.

The change stated that if the defending player purposefully plays the ball but hits it to the attacking player is not deemed to have gained an advantage. It is highlighted in this report

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html</a>

GAINING AN ADVANTAGE - what the law now says

“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball…

1. That rebounds or is deflected to him off the goal post, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position.
2. That rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position.
3. A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.

Point 3 would mean that he was not offside.

The Law:

Offence

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position


Interpretation of the law:

“interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s
line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
i. that rebounds or is defl ected to him off the goalpost, crossbar or an
opponent having been in an offside position
ii. that rebounds, is defl ected or is played to him from a deliberate save
by an opponent having been in an offside position
A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who
deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered
to have gained an advantage.


They are not giving what is written in the law or by the interpretation of it.
See blue: They are giving offside for players challenging another player for the ball AFTER the ball was played by a team mate if they are in an offside position when the team mate touched the ball. This happened to Aguero early on in the season at home when he blocked a clearance after being offside from a cross/ through ball.

I don't know how it's possible for a player to be challenging another one for the ball at exactly the same moment that his team mate touched it though. If the ball is not in a position to be won how can he challenge someone for it? (I'll have to get my head round that one).

See purple: It clearly shows here that when the defender clears the ball and Lescott deflects it in it's not offside. It doesn't matter if Lescott was stood in an offside position when the ball was headed by Garcia. My mistake, I was wrong before in my previous post and bluemooninho is quite correct.

This law is an ass, it needs someone who can get the wording right then put it in plain English (me :-) or put it in a simple form where there are no ifs and buts.
 
bluemooninho said:
Weren't the rules changed slightly in the summer?

In the past, if a defender purposefully kicks/heads the ball and it goes to an offside player, he was still deemed as offside.

The change stated that if the defending player purposefully plays the ball but hits it to the attacking player is not deemed to have gained an advantage. It is highlighted in this report

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2352258/Offside-rule-changed-FIFA--confusion-Premier-League.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html</a>

GAINING AN ADVANTAGE - what the law now says

“Gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball…

1. That rebounds or is deflected to him off the goal post, crossbar or an opponent having been in an offside position.
2. That rebounds, is deflected or is played to him from a deliberate save by an opponent having been in an offside position.
3. A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.

Point 3 would mean that he was not offside.

3. basically is to catch back passes. So in the event that a guy is stood offside, doesn't play it and play continues and then a defender makes an error passing it back to keeper for eg. he's not offside. (this never happens unless time has elapsed and offside not usually raised as an issue)

Lescott was just offside, but Silva was actually onside. On the paused camera, you can clearly see Luiz's right boot that is playing him on.
 
alib said:
typically there was no replay during or after the match on ITV which made me suspect it should have been a goal

needless to say there was loads of replays of our second goal!!!

they even replayed Jovetic's dive more than the Lescott goal

Couldn't agree more. In commentary Clive Twatlay says "Silva onside" then when they showed the replay he said
"Oh wait a minute he looks offside". Then he goes on to say it was offside but I would argue that Silva's feet were exactly in line with the defender ( so should not be called offside) but Twatley then goes on about it and Andy Townsend agrees with him. Absolute b*llocks. They just want to create controversy so that they can "pad" the highlights out.................and give Maureen some more ammo to whinge about .i.e" Dowd was poor".
Bony was more offside in the recent game against Swansea , but you don't get Pellers moaning..

Just a thought would it make it easier if "They didn't play with a ball" making the linos job easier.
 

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