Levi Colwill

[Deleted member 77198]

I do love the idea of pep buying and producing English players.

Let’s get Colwill over Gvardiol
If we can’t get Bellingham get Rice
Sign Maddison when Bernie goes

Stones/Foden/Grealish/Walker/Lewis/Palmer

Develop McAtee/Trafford etc.

Keep winning, watch everyones blood boil.

Southgate would still pick United and Liverpool players and have them playing boring football.

 

[Haaland94]

I do love the idea of pep buying and producing English players.

Let’s get Colwill over Gvardiol
If we can’t get Bellingham get Rice
Sign Maddison when Bernie goes

Stones/Foden/Grealish/Walker/Lewis/Palmer

Develop McAtee/Trafford etc.

Keep winning, watch everyones blood boil.

Let's sell KDB, Haaland, Rodri...

This isn't England NT and for a good reason too. We wouldn't be winning the league, fighting for the CL. All 3 proposed alternative transfers make us a worse team. Nationality should play no part in our transfer business.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Let's sell KDB, Haaland, Rodri...

This isn't England NT and for a good reason too. We wouldn't be winning the league, fighting for the CL. All 3 proposed alternative transfers make us a worse team. Nationality should play no part in our transfer business.

I think nationality does play a part. It’s clear that pep in particular and the club like having English players

I also think it’s good to have a core of English players or local lads in the side. They’ve been an integral part of our side over the last decade

 

[Asa's left peg]

Southgate would still pick United and Liverpool players and have them playing boring football.

That Maguire bloke looks good. Hasn't put a foot wrong for weeks. Gareth and Pep should take a butchers.

 

[Haaland94]

I think nationality does play a part. It’s clear that pep in particular and the club like having English players

I also think it’s good to have a core of English players or local lads in the side. They’ve been an integral part of our side over the last decade

I fully respect your opinion, and I understand it. However, I think it's more of a case that a number of our choices happen to be English since we have quotas in place for English players in every PL side, and also, we obviously look at fellow PL players the most, and they mostly have English players. Having said that, I do not believe that Pep "likes" a particular nationality more than others. He looks at players individually, judging their ability, potential and personality traits. If he favoured one nationality over the other, so blatantly picking players who are worse than their counterparts from abroad just because they are Spanish or English, that would make him xenophobic, which I don't believe is the case.

Of course, I don't question the contribution of English players in our team over the years, but I like to think they got picked because they were the best candidates for their positions, not because they were local or English in general. Finally, I understand the appeal for local fans to have local players, but I think players from other countries enrich the team with their different cultures and ways of playing/thinking and make it better. For example, the influence of Pep and his stuff on Man City, to name the most obvious one. This is just the way I see it, but I get what you are saying, and we probably agree on most points anyway.

 

[Ste68]

I fully respect your opinion, and I understand it. However, I think it's more of a case that a number of our choices happen to be English since we have quotas in place for English players in every PL side, and also, we obviously look at fellow PL players the most, and they mostly have English players. Having said that, I do not believe that Pep "likes" a particular nationality more than others. He looks at players individually, judging their ability, potential and personality traits. If he favoured one nationality over the other, so blatantly picking players who are worse than their counterparts from abroad just because they are Spanish or English, that would make him xenophobic, which I don't believe is the case.

Of course, I don't question the contribution of English players in our team over the years, but I like to think they got picked because they were the best candidates for their positions, not because they were local or English in general. Finally, I understand the appeal for local fans to have local players, but I think players from other countries enrich the team with their different cultures and ways of playing/thinking and make it better. For example, the influence of Pep and his stuff on Man City, to name the most obvious one. This is just the way I see it, but I get what you are saying, and we probably agree on most points anyway.

I think Pep has arrived in the English game at the perfect time. The rule changes around the amount of time players can spend training and the level of funding going into academies has resulted in a lot more technically gifted English players coming through alongside some of the best talent from other countries. Some of that advancement was negated by some of the old school managers who , irrespective of the ability of many of the players they had coming through would take the more physical or direct approach in games at both youth level and first team level which I think lost us a number of players who might not have had the physical prowess to match the technical ability at an earlier enough age.Our youth sides certainly emphasize technical ability , positional knowledge and game management more than getting the ball forward quickly to a big number 9 (although that's recognized as an option for the first team now !!)

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

I think nationality does play a part. It’s clear that pep in particular and the club like having English players

I also think it’s good to have a core of English players or local lads in the side. They’ve been an integral part of our side over the last decade

You should read the PL squad rules Blue, because you’re presently labouring under a common misapprehension that’s perpetuated by the same journalists that told us that brexit was a good thing mate.

They don’t ‘like’ having English players, they are actually forced to have homegrown players because PL rules stipulate that they must have 8 of those in their squad.
If it weren’t for that rule there’d be a meritocracy whereby the best players would be the most sought after.
As is, the better homegrown players (note that I didn’t write ‘English‘ because being English has jack shit to do with it) are more expensive to buy in the PL, in relation to their talent level, than their actual ability would otherwise merit.

Pep and the club, and indeed all managers and all clubs the hold success at what they do over and above jingoistic racist nationalism, would surely like to have squads comprised of the very best players that can play the most beautiful football together to be the most successful team on the planet totally regardless of the nationality of said players.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

You should read the PL squad rules Blue, because you’re presently labouring under a common misapprehension that’s perpetuated by the same journalists that told us that brexit was a good thing mate.

They don’t ‘like’ having English players, they are actually forced to have homegrown players because PL rules stipulate that they must have 8 of those in their squad.
If it weren’t for that rule there’d be a meritocracy whereby the best players would be the most sought after.
As is, the better homegrown players (note that I didn’t write ‘English‘ because being English has jack shit to do with it) are more expensive to buy in the PL, in relation to their talent level, than their actual ability would otherwise merit.

Pep and the club, and indeed all managers and all clubs the hold success at what they do over and above jingoistic racist nationalism, would surely like to have squads comprised of the very best players that can play the most beautiful football together to be the most successful team on the planet totally regardless of the nationality of said players.

What are you on about. Brexit/ racist nationalism. We’re an English club who have pretty much always had a core of English players. Right now we do as well. Brexit and racism have nothing to do with it.

The club are actively targeting English players even though we already have enough.

I personally think we should have a core of young local lads in the first team - players like Foden, Lewis and Palmer. I think it’s important to have that local connection. That’s a pretty common view and I’d hope being a Manchester club we would do.

We can then have the best players in the world such as kev and Haaland playing alongside some of our English players - who are also some of our best players

You need to stay off the politics forum for a bit

 

[OccupiedPalestineBlues]

What are you on about. Brexit/ racist nationalism. We’re an English club who have pretty much always had a core of English players. Right now we do as well. Brexit and racism have nothing to do with it.

The club are actively targeting English players even though we already have enough.

I personally think we should have a core of young local lads in the first team - players like Foden, Lewis and Palmer. I think it’s important to have that local connection. That’s a pretty common view and I’d hope being a Manchester club we would do.

We can then have the best players in the world such as kev and Haaland playing alongside some of our English players - who are also some of our best players

You need to stay off the politics forum for a bit

Firstly; if you’d actually read my post of you’d have noticed that I was correcting you (a bloke who didn’t know otherwise) by pointing to the key differences between being English and being homegrown, so your jumping in guns blazing looks a little bit lame dunnit eh?

Pew pew . . ah your poorly formed sarcasm missed haha crap shot huh?

Secondly; you’re wrong again, we bring in young foreign players to give them the 3 years they need with an English club to register as homegrown players and we buy some senior players who are ‘homegrown’ because PL rules (which you really should read) state that we are obliged to have 8 of them amongst the senior players in our number limited senior squad and those players that we develop to become homegrown have a better market value.
It’s a business mate, not a teary eyed branch of the british legion giving a salute to Thatcher.

Thirdly; I don’t care what you and the Daily Mail think and neither do Pep or the club, the reason that homegrown have a higher value than their ability merits is because the Premier League rules (yep, I repeat, you should read them unless you really like looking stupid . . though reading what you wrote suggests you probably love it) state that we need to have 8 of them in our 25 man senior squad . . and they wouldn’t need to have that as a rule if the clubs that we football fans support wouldn’t otherwise employ their senior players on merit alone would they?

If you can’t understand that then let’s agree to differ because I’m here to chew the fat amongst equals not to teach children how to tie their laces ;-)

PS. And regards your errant anger at my supposed politicising of the subject. What you jingoistically, nationalistically, right wingedly (and incorrectly) wrote was that you thought that “nationality does play a part [No, it does not]. That it’s clear that pep in particular and the club like having English players [nope, wrong again, they actually like to have the best players]”.
That was not only funny but it made plain that you really didn’t understand what you were going on about.

What I kindly did was to set you on the path to righteousness by pointing you to the PL’s homegrown rules, by patiently explaining the difference between ‘homegrown‘ and ‘English’ and by detailing that there wouldn’t need to be a PL rule forcing 8 homegrown players into each of the 25 man senior club squads if, as you supposed, clubs and managers liked having english players rather than having the best players.

Maybe you should have thanked me rather than spitting your teeth out eh?

 

[It'sBlue93:20]

I personally think he’d be perfect. Left-footed , young defender. Came through Chelsea’s academy like Nathan Akè. Clearly wants out/ is under appreciated at Brighton. He’d definitely improve and is already very , very good. Improved leaped and bounds under RDZ. Excellent passer. Obviously Gvardiol is very , very good and would be an excellent choice too. If he was available for a good fee I’d take him up on it. He will probably go to Brighton and end up commanding a huge fee.