BillyShears said:Prestwich_Blue said:There is simply no way we will be close to breaking even in the forthcoming accounts. The only question is whether the loss will be low enough for us to squeeze through the first licencing period. But the advantage of Messi as opposed to buying a group of players such as Luke Shaw, Pogba, Ramos, etc is that he wil bring additional revenue that they simply won't.
I'm not absolutely sure on this but I suspect that we have an agreement with Nike & Etihad that they will pay us more if he comes. That could involve another £15-20m from them alone. And don't forget the BT Sport TV deal has kicked in, which gives us over £30m a year more without lifting a finger. And there's all the other commercial deals that would follow him. Do 4 or 5 of those at £5m a pop and that's his gross wages paid.
It's simply not conceivable that City would sign Messi and then UEFA would ban City from their preeminent tournament for failing to pass FFPR.
IMO there's way too much over analysis of how a transfer like this would effect FFPR. Frankly I'm sure that there would be a compelling case, even if the figures did end up the wrong side of FFPR, for the transfer to be treated as a special case. He's arguably the greatest player ever and it'd be tantamount to serious restraint of trade if no club could be allowed to pay his market value due to UEFA regulations.
This will come down solely to what Messi wants. If he wants to stay at Barca he will. If he wants out, he'll be a City player.
JoeMercer'sWay said:Didsbury Dave said:JoeMercer'sWay said:yeah we may struggle on the accounts we're about to publish, but next year I envisage a huge jump that will set us way on the road to a long term immensely profitable future, I can't wait for 12 months time.
I can't see us being "immensely profitable" for a long long time, if ever. Our accounts are already fudged with friendly sponsorship deals so what you see is not what you get either.
We are a business running at an enormous loss. I would imagine the intention is purely to get the club to break-even, so it costs ADUG nothing more. But by the time that happens make no bones, The Sheikh will have invested well over a billion pounds, money he will never get back. Money he hopefully sees as well spent of course.
I do, in terms of the football club, in terms of Sheikh Mansour, well that depends on whether he has any intention to sell at any point, we could be the family corner shop but 2bh by the time he wants to up sticks the football club will be so big and lucrative I think in what will be an improved economic climate he would make a fortune selling us.
I can see us being comfortably profitable in 2 or 3 years but it depends what you mean by "immensely profitable". We've been used to promote Abu Dhabi, which must have some value to the Al-Nahyan family and Etihad. Plus it's not so much the income that would be of value but the brand. If we matched the rags and were worth £1.5bn in 3 years, I'd say that wasn't a bad return.Didsbury Dave said:JoeMercer'sWay said:Prestwich_Blue said:There is simply no way we will be close to breaking even in the forthcoming accounts. The only question is whether the loss will be low enough for us to squeeze through the first licencing period. But the advantage of Messi as opposed to buying a group of players such as Luke Shaw, Pogba, Ramos, etc is that he wil bring additional revenue that they simply won't.
I'm not absolutely sure on this but I suspect that we have an agreement with Nike & Etihad that they will pay us more if he comes. That could involve another £15-20m from them alone. And don't forget the BT Sport TV deal has kicked in, which gives us over £30m a year more without lifting a finger. And there's all the other commercial deals that would follow him. Do 4 or 5 of those at £5m a pop and that's his gross wages paid.
yeah we may struggle on the accounts we're about to publish, but next year I envisage a huge jump that will set us way on the road to a long term immensely profitable future, I can't wait for 12 months time.
I can't see us being "immensely profitable" for a long long time, if ever. Our accounts are already fudged with friendly sponsorship deals so what you see is not what you get either.
Danamy said:What if buying his image rights are also included and part of the package?
Damocles said:Danamy said:What if buying his image rights are also included and part of the package?
Then we should immediately spend the money because they'd probably pay his wages alone
gordondaviesmoustache said:Depends how you define "get back" DD.Didsbury Dave said:JoeMercer'sWay said:yeah we may struggle on the accounts we're about to publish, but next year I envisage a huge jump that will set us way on the road to a long term immensely profitable future, I can't wait for 12 months time.
I can't see us being "immensely profitable" for a long long time, if ever. Our accounts are already fudged with friendly sponsorship deals so what you see is not what you get either.
We are a business running at an enormous loss. I would imagine the intention is purely to get the club to break-even, so it costs ADUG nothing more. But by the time that happens make no bones, The Sheikh will have invested well over a billion pounds, money he will never get back. Money he hopefully sees as well spent of course.
When you're sitting in Windsor Castle at an official state reception and hear the Queen say "...and of course Manchester City" then it must be worth it.Robinho's Subbuteo said:gordondaviesmoustache said:Depends how you define "get back" DD.Didsbury Dave said:I can't see us being "immensely profitable" for a long long time, if ever. Our accounts are already fudged with friendly sponsorship deals so what you see is not what you get either.
We are a business running at an enormous loss. I would imagine the intention is purely to get the club to break-even, so it costs ADUG nothing more. But by the time that happens make no bones, The Sheikh will have invested well over a billion pounds, money he will never get back. Money he hopefully sees as well spent of course.
Exactly! Goodness knows how much extra income has been generated for Abu Dhabi as a result of the publicity and exposure that comes with owning Manchester City.
Prestwich_Blue said:When you're sitting in Windsor Castle at an official state reception and hear the Queen say "...and of course Manchester City" then it must be worth it.Robinho's Subbuteo said:gordondaviesmoustache said:Depends how you define "get back" DD.
Exactly! Goodness knows how much extra income has been generated for Abu Dhabi as a result of the publicity and exposure that comes with owning Manchester City.
My invite got "lost in the post" :-(OB1 said:Prestwich_Blue said:When you're sitting in Windsor Castle at an official state reception and hear the Queen say "...and of course Manchester City" then it must be worth it.Robinho's Subbuteo said:Exactly! Goodness knows how much extra income has been generated for Abu Dhabi as a result of the publicity and exposure that comes with owning Manchester City.
You'd have to ask GDM about that.
gloryhunter007 said:bluemoondays said:wireblue said:Live a little!
We probably don't have room in the squad for all those players without letting a load go, plus, unless we bought in English talent we'd be f'd on the home-grown quotas and I can't think of any world class CM, LB, RB, LW and Atk Mid who are English - apart from Phil Jones who can play in all of those positions of course!
Adding Messi would make our forward line-up insane, especially as he is used to being played either right wing/inside forward as well as central AM and striker for Barca. I can dream of the midfield/forward lineup below but it won't happen (happy to be proven wrong!)
.............Negredo..........................
.............................Aguero..............
Silva.......................................Messi
.............Yaya.......Fernadinho........
interesting to see what people think we'd do if we did get him. i'd go 4-3-3
...............messi..............
aguero.................jesus/nasri
............,....silva.............
....yaya...................dinho....