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football manager time again!

hart
zab
vinny
mangala
kurwaza
fernandihno
koke
silva
reus/bale
messi
Sergio
 
Ray78 said:
There isn't a chance we will pay him a £1,000,000 He is currently on £300,000 p/w at Barcelona and more than likely we match at best.

That's after tax, isn't it?
 
Dribble said:
richards30 said:
football manager time again!

hart
zab
vinny
mangala
kurwaza
fernandihno
koke
silva
reus/bale
messi
Sergio
Formation?

hart

zab.....................................vinny......................mangala....................kurwaza

fernandinho

koke.................................silva...............................reus/bale

messi

sergio

sorry about the shit layout! lol a 4-1-3-1-1 sort of formation? each player after dinho also has the ability to swap roles etc.
 
blueinsa said:
Some still refuse to accept the rise of our great club and are stuck in ikkle ciddy mode.

All roads point to us, if he does get moved on i might add.

I don't think it's about ikkle city mentality, more that people see Messi as inextricably linked to that generation (Xavi, Iniesta, etc). In many respects it's understandable.

I just think the list of reasons why he potentially will make the move to City is beginning to out weigh his history with Barca. People say "new board new manager he'll stay" but Messi is ambitious as fuck. Why would a new board and new manager change the footballing reality that for the foreseeable future they're only going to end up further and further behind Real.

Barca's financial situation also isn't quite what it's made out to be. The current board have put together plans to rebuild Camp Nou with 200 million euros in loans from various banks. This is something which looks nice on paper, but long term will further inhibit their ability to spend on players, especially once the TV monies are split more evenly which isn't far away.

It's also worth looking at the Messi's financial situation too. The tax case against them has led to fines in excess of 20 million euros which they are personally liable for. Before we even get into the political ramifications of this, it is on record that the family were furious with Barcelona last year for not doing more to defend or protect them, and for not ponying up the money to cover the fines he's received. I realise it's easy to say "yeah well they can afford it" - but if you've got a net worth of a 100 million and you have to pay out 20 million in cash that's a big %. Sure he'll earn it back over the next five years, but it's also true to say that if he were to move his signing on fee would eclipse the fine. 20 million pounds isn't to be sniffed at.

That's the tip of the iceberg in terms of the case for why he'd want to leave Barca.

What about from Barca's point of view? Well regardless of the noise their supporters will make, the reality is that Messi is rapidly becoming bigger than the club itself. In Wednesday's press conference Bartomeu was asked "does Messi run the club?" in reference to Tata's sacking, his not showing up for training, and his falling out with Enrique. The implication was clear, the club are powerless in the face of whatever demands Messi makes. Doesn't matter how he answered (he floundered) - the truth is that even in the eyes of some Barca supporters the situation is becoming uncontainable and bad for the club. On top of this Messi isn't Iniesta or Xavi because he doesn't see himself as Barca through and through the way they do. He has threatened to leave the club twice before, he has played power games and political games to get more money - his camp have even gone so far as to say that spoke to Perez and Madrid during his previous contract negotiations. If I were in Barca's shoes, if there was a club prepared to pay close to his buy out, I'd be encouraging the bid (rumours are this board did last season). 200 million would pay for their shiny new stadium leaving them way stronger in the transfer market come the end of their transfer ban.

I may well be wide of the mark but my opinion remains if we hadn't had FFP sanctions we'd have signed him last summer. It's no coincidence that he only signed his new contract 3 days after our FFP sanctions were announced having spent the previous three months voicing his unhappiness through the media and through lacklustre performances.

As always in football things can change on a dime. But as things stand I'd say there's an 80% likelihood he'll be a City player by the end of next summer.
 
Bluewonder said:
Ray78 said:
There isn't a chance we will pay him a £1,000,000 He is currently on £300,000 p/w at Barcelona and more than likely we match at best.

That's after tax, isn't it?

Yup and a £204million release clause in his current deal.
 
Mister Appointment said:
blueinsa said:
Some still refuse to accept the rise of our great club and are stuck in ikkle ciddy mode.

All roads point to us, if he does get moved on i might add.

I don't think it's about ikkle city mentality, more that people see Messi as inextricably linked to that generation (Xavi, Iniesta, etc). In many respects it's understandable.

I just think the list of reasons why he potentially will make the move to City is beginning to out weigh his history with Barca. People say "new board new manager he'll stay" but Messi is ambitious as fuck. Why would a new board and new manager change the footballing reality that for the foreseeable future they're only going to end up further and further behind Real.

Barca's financial situation also isn't quite what it's made out to be. The current board have put together plans to rebuild Camp Nou with 200 million euros in loans from various banks. This is something which looks nice on paper, but long term will further inhibit their ability to spend on players, especially once the TV monies are split more evenly which isn't far away.

It's also worth looking at the Messi's financial situation too. The tax case against them has led to fines in excess of 20 million euros which they are personally liable for. Before we even get into the political ramifications of this, it is on record that the family were furious with Barcelona last year for not doing more to defend or protect them, and for not ponying up the money to cover the fines he's received. I realise it's easy to say "yeah well they can afford it" - but if you've got a net worth of a 100 million and you have to pay out 20 million in cash that's a big %. Sure he'll earn it back over the next five years, but it's also true to say that if he were to move his signing on fee would eclipse the fine. 20 million pounds isn't to be sniffed at.

That's the tip of the iceberg in terms of the case for why he'd want to leave Barca.

What about from Barca's point of view? Well regardless of the noise their supporters will make, the reality is that Messi is rapidly becoming bigger than the club itself. In Wednesday's press conference Bartomeu was asked "does Messi run the club?" in reference to Tata's sacking, his not showing up for training, and his falling out with Enrique. The implication was clear, the club are powerless in the face of whatever demands Messi makes. Doesn't matter how he answered (he floundered) - the truth is that even in the eyes of some Barca supporters the situation is becoming uncontainable and bad for the club. On top of this Messi isn't Iniesta or Xavi because he doesn't see himself as Barca through and through the way they do. He has threatened to leave the club twice before, he has played power games and political games to get more money - his camp have even gone so far as to say that spoke to Perez and Madrid during his previous contract negotiations. If I were in Barca's shoes, if there was a club prepared to pay close to his buy out, I'd be encouraging the bid (rumours are this board did last season). 200 million would pay for their shiny new stadium leaving them way stronger in the transfer market come the end of their transfer ban.

I may well be wide of the mark but my opinion remains if we hadn't had FFP sanctions we'd have signed him last summer. It's no coincidence that he only signed his new contract 3 days after our FFP sanctions were announced having spent the previous three months voicing his unhappiness through the media and through lacklustre performances.

As always in football things can change on a dime. But as things stand I'd say there's an 80% likelihood he'll be a City player by the end of next summer.

you`ve always maintained this was possible billy to be fair.
 
Ray78 said:
Bluewonder said:
Ray78 said:
There isn't a chance we will pay him a £1,000,000 He is currently on £300,000 p/w at Barcelona and more than likely we match at best.

That's after tax, isn't it?

Yup and a £204million release clause in his current deal.

that's for teams in spain though I believe Prestwich blue stated. ie probably just to halt real Madrid.
 
inbetween said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
That article is horrible, utterly horrible. Guy is supposed to be a football finance expert yet doesn't seem to know the difference between structuring payments and amortisation. Also no discussion of the potential revenue boost from signing someone like Messi. Let's hope he's been horribly misquoted as that level of stupidity from someone who's regularly quoted in the media is inexcusable.

I think though the Messi effect is still overstated. We are saying that Messi will repay his transfer himself in revenue but this is near on impossible over the length of his contract.
Why do people only measure these things in shirt sales? There are commercial organisations who would pay handsomely to have their name associated with Messi and ADUG have done their homework on this deal. Rooney's reported £300k a week doesn't come out of the rags' pockets but probably half of it comes from third parties. And that's for a fat, foul-mouthed, granny-shagging, fag-smoking Scouse tosser, let alone the hottest property in world football.

The cash itself is not an issue for us, plus our revenue will take another significant jump from next year, with the opening of the new stand, the new Campus & Etihad sponsorship deals and the kicking in of the BT CL deal. We should be showing an FFP surplus of around £70m (€90m) each year from 2015/16 onwards, against an allowed €10m loss. That gives us an extra £75m a year to play with, regardless of anything else we bring in, before we need to think about FFP.
 
Election brought forward.
New board members announced.
Enrique replaced as manager.
New contract offered which Messi signs.
He remains at Barca for the forseeable.

That's what'll happen.
 
From Barcelona POV if they are going to sell him then this summer will be his maximum value, the summer after he will be in the last 2 years of his contract and another year older and his value will begin to decrease, same for His own bargaining power for probably his last contract.
 
People seem to forget that if we win the title this year then we will have won the best league in Europe 3 of the last 4 seasons, far from being ickle old City we are one of the most desirable club destinations in the world. Be proud and loud.
 
richards30 said:
Ray78 said:
Bluewonder said:
That's after tax, isn't it?

Yup and a £204million release clause in his current deal.

that's for teams in spain though I believe Prestwich blue stated. ie probably just to halt real Madrid.

And now us. We are hardly Barcelona's favourite second club either.
 
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