Liverpool 2016/17

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Coutinho and Mané already have 11 between them in 11 games, they will comfortably get 20 between them in 38
Maybe they will. Lots of teams are going to start doing what Southampton did though and they'll hit bad patches of form. Plus it's a high intensity Klopp team, they'll get tired at some point and results will drop off.
In fact if I had to bet, I'd say Coutinho, Mané and Firmino will probably get 45-50 between them.
Let's say they get 45. Where do the other 30 come from?
Similarly, you say 75 goals are needed in 38 games and Liverpool have already got 30 - they're on track to score 95 over the season.

They might need 95 the way they defend.
 
We did it in 13/14. Most prolific striker was Aguero on 17.

Needing a big striker might be true when you've got a 4231, but the fact is Liverpool's front 3 have got 16 goals between them.

We need a 25 goal a season striker because our wingers and midfielders don't score much, we need a great striker. Liverpool have a lot of decent goalscorers and as a result don't need one world class forward.

If you're going to write them off, attack is not the place to look.
Imo Firmino is the best support striker in years. Just makes goals for other people. Woudnt bet against him getting 20 either, a very decent player.
 
Maybe they will. Lots of teams are going to start doing what Southampton did though and they'll hit bad patches of form. Plus it's a high intensity Klopp team, they'll get tired at some point and results will drop off.

Let's say they get 45. Where do the other 30 come from?


They might need 95 the way they defend.

Well the front 3 have 16 so far and the entire team has 30. The front 3 is scoring 53% of the goals.

So the other 20-something players in the squad scoring 30 goals, when they've already got 14 in 12 games isn't hard to see at all.

Milner has 4, Lallana 3, Lovren 2, Can 2, Wijnaldum 1, Henderson 1, Matip 1.

Milner could easily get 10 on his own with the number of penalties they are getting with defenders scared of the movement between the forwards.
 
Well the front 3 have 16 so far and the entire team has 30. The front 3 is scoring 53% of the goals.

So the other 20-something players in the squad scoring 30 goals, when they've already got 14 in 12 games isn't hard to see at all.
Presuming everyone keeps their ratios up. Which is never guaranteed. For example I don't expect Gundogan to get 25 goals this season and I'm sure you don't either, but he already has 5 in around 10 games and could play nearly 50 so why not?
 
Presuming everyone keeps their ratios up. Which is never guaranteed. For example I don't expect Gundogan to get 25 goals this season and I'm sure you don't either, but he already has 5 in around 10 games and could play nearly 50 so why not?

You're arguing that they are scoring an unnaturally high number of goals and can't keep the rate up, but that doesn't work over 20+ supporting players. Some will be doing better than they would normally, and drop off, but others like Wijnaldum, Sturridge and Origi, who only have 1 goal between them so far, are underperforming and will likely end up with 5+ each.

If you look at who has scored their 14 goals no one is unusually high (Milner has 4, Lallana 3, Lovren 2, Can 2, Wijnaldum 1, Henderson 1, Matip 1) - they are just a very well rounded team that will probably score well in excess of 75 this season.
 
There are scary similarities with them to the year they almost won it. The high tempo coupled with no euro football and us and others facing some really gritty opponents, which if it keeps up will allow Liverpool to be in the mix by the time the window opens.

My biggest concern this time is they have a manager and a squad with no history looming over them in the same way it lingered over Rodgers. There's no past his prime Gerrard being politic'd into the team. Klopp won't let Dalgleish muscle into the spotlight like Brendan let him. Klopp will do what Klopp wants.

They'll definitely run us and the other 2 or 3 teams close, and it all depends on injuries for them.
 
You're arguing that they are scoring an unnaturally high number of goals and can't keep the rate up, but that doesn't work over 20+ supporting players. Some will be doing better than they would normally, and drop off, but others like Wijnaldum, Sturridge and Origi, who only have 1 goal between them so far, are underperforming and will likely end up with 5+ each.

If you look at who has scored their 14 goals no one is unusually high (Milner has 4, Lallana 3, Lovren 2, Can 2, Wijnaldum 1, Henderson 1, Matip 1) - they are just a very well rounded team that will probably score well in excess of 75 this season.

You're not looking at it from the same viewpoint. The reason it's all hard to reach those figures without a truly top notch goalscorer is that the Mané/Firmino/Coutinho type players will only contribute goals when they and the team are playing well. Players like Aguero, Costa, Tranny, Kane, Suarez etc could be playing like a hungover Sunday league player in a team devoid of form and they'll still chip in with goals.
 
You're not looking at it from the same viewpoint. The reason it's all hard to reach those figures without a truly top notch goalscorer is that the Mané/Firmino/Coutinho type players will only contribute goals when they and the team are playing well. Players like Aguero, Costa, Tranny, Kane, Suarez etc could be playing like a hungover Sunday league player in a team devoid of form and they'll still chip in with goals.

That's viewpoint is patently bollocks though because all of those players managed to score a decent amount when Rodgers was sinking them.

So they can and do score even when in poor teams.

And they've been fairly consistent for 40 games since Klopp took over. The fact you're pinning your hopes that they suddenly turn shit says it all really.
 
They'll definitely run us and the other 2 or 3 teams close, and it all depends on injuries for them.
Not quite. Their mental resolve in the final weeks of the season will be as much of a factor. If they're in the mix, the expectation levels will reach incredible proportions once again, which will hopefully lead to another capitulation.
 
Not quite. Their mental resolve in the final weeks of the season will be as much of a factor. If they're in the mix, the expectation levels will reach incredible proportions once again, which will hopefully lead to another capitulation.

I hear you, but Klopp is the game changer in that area. He won't allow it like Rodgers did.
 
I would. Spurs look like they've stood still and the rags look shite. Reckon they'll get 3rd or 4th.

Spurs are the only English side undefeated this season.
Spurs also have a more balanced squad(for example they don't have a right midfielder masquerading as a left back and 3 back up strikers for a team of false fucking 9's) and a far better defence.

Compare the top 6 squads and you'll notice Bottlepool's squad's the weakest.
 
Spurs are the only English side undefeated this season.
Spurs also have a more balanced squad(for example they don't have a right midfielder masquerading as a left back and 3 back up strikers for a team of false fucking 9's) and a far better defence.

Compare the top 6 squads and you'll notice Bottlepool's squad's the weakest.
Depends on how highly you rate the Spurs players.
 
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