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Coatigan said:
I think that is complete horseshit. That you frankly have no right to claim.

I agree the song is 'accepted' as being 'associated with' Hillsborough, for reasons already noted. And that that may make it arguably inappropriate, I've had no issue with the club statement.

But to argue people are hiding behind it to openly sing about tragedy is one fucking perverse take, no matter how self righteous you might feel. That's a shocking take, in fact. For fans of any football club.
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Why sing it then? If you accept it's associated with Hillsborough and you know it causes controversy every time it's sung, and you know the club will have to apologise, and the fans will be condemned for it, then why that song?
 
Coatigan said:
I think that is complete horseshit. That you frankly have no right to claim.

I agree the song is 'accepted' as being 'associated with' Hillsborough, for reasons already noted. And that that may make it arguably inappropriate, I've had no issue with the club statement.

But to argue people are hiding behind it to openly sing about tragedy is one fucking perverse take, no matter how self righteous you might feel. That's a shocking take, in fact. For fans of any football club.
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Now you know why I have him on ignore.
 
domalino said:
I imagine 99% of football fans read a newspaper or watch the TV news, which means they were aware of the massive row that blew up following the publishing of that article and Johnson's words blaming Liverpudlians for Hillsborough.
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I don’t think that many would attribute it to that, I don’t & I find it hard to imagine another 99% would.

I imagine very much like Dippers coming up with very different reasons for booing & protests against government or the establishment including pro terrorist organisations, City & opposing fans would all give opposing views on why they believe singing victims is important to them.

In my opinion it’s valid & not “tragedy chanting” but absolute disgust at their attitude. Every time they complain they make it more valid. Others may have different reasons but to me it has fuck all to do with the oaf Boris & more to do with jack straw.
 
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domalino said:
No one is disagreeing with that, but the song is linked to Hillsborough and sending me a bunch of abuse for pointing that out doesn't change that fact. You can't retroactively decide a song that's been linked to Hillsborough for 11 years suddenly has nothing to do with Hillsborough.
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Who has said it’s been linked to Hillsborough? The only people who think that are those with the dipper mentality, those who pander to them in the media, and those who are gullibly taken in by those 2 parties. It’s about the despicable behaviour by their fans over the decades and their complete lack of accountability. The timing is absolutely irrelevant, other than they have been unaccountable for their appalling behaviour for decades. As for personal abuse, I didn’t abuse you, I did point out that I don’t think you get to many or any games as you have a complete lack of empathy with City fans and how we feel about the treatment dished out to us by liverpool and the media. As for your PM to me accusing me of abusing you I’ve answered that here
 
Coatigan said:
I think that is complete horseshit. That you frankly have no right to claim.

I agree the song is 'accepted' as being 'associated with' Hillsborough, for reasons already noted. And that that may make it arguably inappropriate, I've had no issue with the club statement.

But to argue people are hiding behind it to openly sing about tragedy is one fucking perverse take, no matter how self righteous you might feel. That's a shocking take, in fact. For fans of any football club.
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If you don't think that some (even if only one) aren't openly grinning while singing it knowing how it will affect some opposition fans, then you have a much more cheery outlook on human nature than I do.

People decry Liverpool fans for being opposed to the victims chant while continuing to sing it. If we stopped singing it that would take ammunition away from them. Surely that is a better outcome for all?
 
domalino said:
Not every match but once or twice a season. Mainly because 95% of their fans think it's racist and don't like it.

www.theguardian.com

Tottenham urge fans to ‘move on’ from using Y-word after review

Tottenham have called on their supporters to ‘move on’ from using the word ‘Yid’ after concluding a thorough review with fans’ focus groups
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Have you ever watched City at spurs or at home to spurs? I wouldn’t be able to prove this but to say that only 5% of the spurs fans home or away sung that song is a bigger distortion of the real number than some of our attendances under Peter Swales
 
BringBackSwales said:
Who has said it’s been linked to Hillsborough? The only people who think that are those with the dipper mentality, those who pander to them in the media, and those who are gullibly taken in by those 2 parties. It’s about the despicable behaviour by their fans over the decades and their complete lack of accountability. The timing is absolutely irrelevant, other than they have been unaccountable for their appalling behaviour for decades. As for personal abuse, I didn’t abuse you, I did point out that I don’t think you get to many or any games as you have a complete lack of empathy with City fans and how we feel about the treatment dished out to us by liverpool and the media. As for your PM to me accusing me of abusing you I’ve answered that here
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It is linked to Hillsborough whether you like it or not, and has been for over a decade, long before it got widely picked up by City fans.

You can continue to call MCFC, the Premier League, the FA and every other club people who have "dipper mentality" but that isn't going to change reality that it is linked.

It's also bizarre that you claim to know the intent behind a song you openly admit was picked up off United fans after they'd been criticised for using it because of its links to Hillsborough for years.

As for personal abuse, I didn’t abuse you
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"You are so far stuck up your own arsehole"
 
BringBackSwales said:
Have you ever watched City at spurs or at home to spurs? I wouldn’t be able to prove this but to say that only 5% of the spurs fans home or away sung that song is a bigger distortion of the real number than some of our attendances under Peter Swales
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It's a survey of 30,000 Spurs fans backed up by their own supporters groups, so I don't know what you want to me to say.
 
domalino said:
It's a survey of 30,000 Spurs fans backed up by their own supporters groups, so I don't know what you want to me to say.
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As I said go to a spurs v City game, that chant is rampant. What people say in a survey and what they do in reality are very different things
 
Not really kept track of this thread but just wondering if anybody knows whether the Victims chant is about Hillsborough or not?
 
BringBackSwales said:
As I said go to a spurs v City game, that chant is rampant. What people say in a survey and what they do in reality are very different things
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In a full Spurs stadium 1 in 20 people would still be a few thousand, so you'd hear it clearly, and it's probably safe to assume the away fan contingent are more likely to hold onto the chant and approve of it than the family stand, so I'm sure it's heard at most Spurs games up and down the country, but that's not necessarily proof of how the majority feel.
 
BringBackSwales said:
You are so far stuck up your own arsehole that I really don’t think you can ever see any other viewpoint other than your own, nearly all of your posts are like that. I am not sure if you have attended any or many City matches and therefore whether you have any real understanding of what City fans feel and why.

I have been going to games home and away since the 60’s, aways starting more in the 70’s. Liverpool fans have always in that time been cunts, be it Stanley knives, spitting and piss throwing, bottle throwing and NEVER been held to account for it; none of the journalists who live them used to have to dodge the shit that visiting fans did, in fact even when Joe Corrigan got hit with a bottle the MOTD commentator actually praised the liverpool fans cos 3 or 4 of them were pointing at the **** who did it.

We have had their support of racist Suarez (including Carragher who I believe has since said it was wrong but no journalists called him out for it), we’ve had puss thrown us from above in the anfield road end for years, supporters coaches bricked on the day we impeccably observed the Hillsborough anniversary, they’ve had a bus parade on the Heysel anniversary, they coined and scarred a young City fan at the Etihad recently, they’ve mass attacked our team coach, they’ve spat on our coaching staff, they’ve coined Pep, and so it goes on.

Not to mention their songs about Munich, shipman, the IRA, their disrespect of the national anthem.

They have been utter cunts for decades, they have got away with it for decades and that’s why they are despised by our match going fan base. Nothing to do with Hillsborough.

Regardless of time lines the victims song was started by united fans who sang it for years before we did. We adopted it in more recent times due to the above. It has nothing to do with Hillsborough and everything to do with their mentality and behaviour, and then continuously getting away with it and having it whitewashed by a sycophantic media
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Bravo
 
BamberBridgeBlue said:
There really is no point in wasting any energy thinking about this on their behalf. They’d find a Hillsborough reference in an episode of Countryfile or Saturday Kitchen at a push.
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They linked allez to Shaun Cox……the mind boggles how but the media bought into it.
 
BringBackSwales said:
Who has said it’s been linked to Hillsborough? The only people who think that are those with the dipper mentality, those who pander to them in the media, and those who are gullibly taken in by those 2 parties. It’s about the despicable behaviour by their fans over the decades and their complete lack of accountability. The timing is absolutely irrelevant, other than they have been unaccountable for their appalling behaviour for decades. As for personal abuse, I didn’t abuse you, I did point out that I don’t think you get to many or any games as you have a complete lack of empathy with City fans and how we feel about the treatment dished out to us by liverpool and the media. As for your PM to me accusing me of abusing you I’ve answered that here
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I got a pm a couple of days ago for liking a post i didnt like or was edited after i liked it , he has jumped the shark this week
 
The song in question is clearly supporting LFC and their fans.

"Always the victims, it's never your fault" is exactly what their supporter groups and media sycophants claim and I think it's great that we can stand in solidarity with them.

Another incident where their supporters rallied around to support their poor brothers:

Conviction of Michael Shields - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

"Following Shields' conviction on 26 July 2005, a vocal campaign in his support was launched in Liverpool, backed by many fans of Liverpool F.C. Shields's supporters branded the Bulgarian court decision 'unfair' and proclaimed him to be innocent. Belief in his innocence was stated by prominent faith and political leaders in the city of Liverpool, and by the then editors of the city's two newspapers."
 
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