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I agree with this. Those pundits claiming that Pep's tactics have finally being nullified or found out are nieve

Everyone always knew HOW we played, they just couldn't do anything about it.

The main thing that has changed isn't the opposition, it's our game that is now about 3 times slower than before, due to a mix of player age, player form drop off and new players not yet bedding in.

There are obvious risks that we never get that ability to speed it up back, but if we do then we will be back again for sure.
Agreed. We need a dynamic midfielder to replace Kevin with a physical presence. A full back to replace Walker and maybe a creative midfielder. However Nico coud be that player, he is not a natural defensive player but can play there when needed.
 
I have reassessed my feelings about “domination,” as I feel like we have not really dominated the League during the season, albeit we have gone on some very good runs during most seasons.

As a City fan, I guess I never felt like it was won until it was ACTUALLY WON, but looking back over the seasons and the statistics, I see that my feelings about each season and the reality of the margins of victory put paid to any serious notion of us not winning handsomely most times.

I appreciate the spirited, and respectful, discussion, which helped me reevaluate the facts.
 
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I agree with this. Those pundits claiming that Pep's tactics have finally being nullified or found out are nieve

Everyone always knew HOW we played, they just couldn't do anything about it.

The main thing that has changed isn't the opposition, it's our game that is now about 3 times slower than before, due to a mix of player age, player form drop off and new players not yet bedding in.

There are obvious risks that we never get that ability to speed it up back, but if we do then we will be back again for sure.
It's not the tactics, it's that the current level players are at, for various reasons, isn't good enough to play it at the pace and skill level necessary.
 
Hi buddy we were actually on the Rice Boat on the Chopra River anchored up for the night. Haven't a clue where. We are staying just off the top the Beach Road. Candolim. The sports bar is now a fine dining restaurant now called ,wait for it , "White Plate by Chef Jason", no bugger goes in. The main sports bar is now right across the road at Angarra. More screens than you can shake a stick at, all with different sports and games on. It gets a bit rowdy match days. After a few Kingfishers it just blurs into one.
I loved the early mornings there, sat at a roadside cafe with a coffee watching the place wake up. Enjoy yourself.
 
I find it strange we are in a position that, other than Rodri the only other player we would not want to be injured is Haaland. So we are dependant on a guy that sometimes barely touches the ball, not dissing him, just trying to highlight the lack of quality we have.
 
We needed Kev & Phil to step up on Sunday, unfortunately both were very poor. I don’t think either are worth their place at the moment.
Tactically IMO we got it wrong, Nico should have had more support around him ie Kovocic should have played to help combat the Liverpool midfield.
Bringing on Gundo is never going to change the game, we need energy coming on as subNunes should be given the chance instead.
If we played all night long we were never going to score
 
We've won Prem titles in an era when almost every Prem club has won the Lottery with eye wateringly rich owners and ultra rich financial backers. It's harder to dominate than in the Utd/Liverpool eras when they quite simply spent way more than every other side. In Pep's time, we're quite a way down the list of prem net spenders. The domination is in terms of total trophies won.

Exactly .. that's all the record books show.
 
We've won Prem titles in an era when almost every Prem club has won the Lottery with eye wateringly rich owners and ultra rich financial backers. It's harder to dominate than in the Utd/Liverpool eras when they quite simply spent way more than every other side. In Pep's time, we're quite a way down the list of prem net spenders. The domination is in terms of total trophies won.
On reflection, I was thinking most of the seasons were closer than they were when I looked them up, and thus felt like we maybe dominated 1 or 2. The facts didn’t bear that out, so I think it’s fair to say that while our overall trophy haul was dominant, our League performance was, too, for the most part.
 
It's not the tactics, it's that the current level players are at, for various reasons, isn't good enough to play it at the pace and skill level necessary.
Is this true, really? I hear it said a lot but I am not sure.

Yes, we lack pace in terms of being able to run fast. That much is obvious. But do our players lack technical ability? I don’t recognise that at all. KDB had perhaps the best 1st touch I have ever seen. Foden not far off. Bernie’s skills are beyond question. Silvinio and Doku have skills in abundance. Haaland’s ability to control and hold up the ball is pretty good.

What I am seeing is nothing to do with lack of skill, it’s lack of intensity. For some reason, we’ve DECIDED consciously or unconsciously to fanny about with the ball, taking 2,3,4,13 touches rather than play a fast, dynamic game. Our painfully slow play allows our opponents to defend valiantly rather than being out of position and making mistakes, We are allowing them to do that.

But I don’t think it’s because our players lack talent. We’re just woefully underperforming.
 
Is this true, really? I hear it said a lot but I am not sure.

Yes, we lack pace in terms of being able to run fast. That much is obvious. But do our players lack technical ability? I don’t recognise that at all. KDB had perhaps the best 1st touch I have ever seen. Foden not far off. Bernie’s skills are beyond question. Silvinio and Doku have skills in abundance. Haaland’s ability to control and hold up the ball is pretty good.

What I am seeing is nothing to do with lack of skill, it’s lack of intensity. For some reason, we’ve DECIDED consciously or unconsciously to fanny about with the ball, taking 2,3,4,13 touches rather than play a fast, dynamic game. Our painfully slow play allows our opponents to defend valiantly rather than being out of position and making mistakes, We are allowing them to do that.

But I don’t think it’s because our players lack talent. We’re just woefully underperforming.
Would any of our current players on their present form and ability be in the 2023 side? Would any purchases since then displace any player from that side? You could make a case for Savinho - at least for a cameo.
All from a position of complete and utter strength. Yep "injuries". Can't deny that's a big factor that has exacerbated the decline, but even so.
 
Would any of our current players on their present form and ability be in the 2023 side? Would any purchases since then displace any player from that side? You could make a case for Savinho - at least for a cameo.
All from a position of complete and utter strength. Yep "injuries". Can't deny that's a big factor that has exacerbated the decline, but even so.
I take your point (although of course Haaland would). But my point is not that they are not skilful enough, it's that they are just not doing it. You expect a drop off in pace as you get older of course, but for some reason we have slowed our game right down as well. We look slow and laborious, not fast and dynamic and that's to do with how quickly we move the ball around, not how fast we run. And how negative we've become, constantly passing backwards are farting about.
 
I take your point (although of course Haaland would). But my point is not that they are not skilful enough, it's that they are just not doing it. You expect a drop off in pace as you get older of course, but for some reason we have slowed our game right down as well. We look slow and laborious, not fast and dynamic and that's to do with how quickly we move the ball around, not how fast we run. And how negative we've become, constantly passing backwards are farting about.
Haaland was!

There are many factors at play for the drop off, but simply put, the current batch are not good enough to play it anymore (or some don't fit it - technically nor in mindset). Pep's lost his way too. I think after all the incredible successes he believes he can play the proven system with underperforming and lesser (for our system) players. Personally I'd rather he stuck with it, rather than have to reinvent the wheel when we do eventually get our recruitment back up to speed.
 
Eventually caught ref watch today
Confirmed what i thought .. second goal should have been disallowed
For what Jambo, not watched any replays since.

What about the incident with Lewis and Roberts, was there anything in that.

Any mention of the suspect timekeeping first half too?
2 minutes added on for 2 goals, VAR and injury!
 
For what Jambo, not watched any replays since.

What about the incident with Lewis and Roberts, was there anything in that.

Any mention of the suspect timekeeping first half too?
2 minutes added on for 2 goals, VAR and injury!

Only mentioned that he was clearly offside during first phase and did interfere with play.
Didn't cover anything else
 

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