Liverpool (H) | Post match thread

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
If you ever wanted a revelation of bias, read the times post match report… paraphrasing but it goes along the lines of ‘VAR played its part, most notably the rocket from salah, which clipped the hand of Laporte and no corner given’, nothing on the interpretation or sterling’s effort mind or the cynical challenges we endured the last 20 minutes!
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It came off his thigh not hand, but yeah it should've been a corner.

I don't even understand the narrative that they were the better team in the second half. They dominated for the first ten minutes of the half but once we settled down we controlled the tempo and had all the chances.

Anyone who watched that game, if they're honest with themselves, knows we were the better team and should of won.
 
i wish we did the same fault on Salah before his assist to Mane just like Fabinho did on Bernardo or Thiago on KDB. a quick yellow, maybe a a few studs mark on Salah leg same as Bernardo got from Fabinho but we keep it 2-1.
 
Sky and BBC's MOTD spent more time analysing the injustices of a corner not awarded for the Dippers than any foul or 2nd yellow card incident, potentially awarded to us.
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tolmie's hairdoo said:
I'm starting to get pissed off how Liverpool's narrative is being attached to our own achievements and greatness over the five or six years.

The difference between the teams yesterday was there for all to see, as is the fact, Pep has had Klopp's number in all the games since the Champions League exit to them.

Tactically, style, results, trophies,goals, clean sheets, we are ahead in every metric.

It's even got to the point now where the media are manipulating the stats to not factor in in our 2018 title win, as that would obviously evidence the points/trophies by both teams since then has a big differential.

I read yesterday that Pep is three games short of quickest to 200 Prem League wins - despite playing thirty-odd games less than Klopp and arriving a year later.

Liverpool are ruthless up top, but I believe Klopp is struggling to keep the rest of the team up with them and will have to evolve against City with that defence and midfield.
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Absolutely.

Walking back from the ground to Piccadilly yesterday my lot were talking about these points you outline as we went over the way the game had just unfolded.

I said that, if nothing else, not losing to that lot had spiked the anticipated media narrative for this week regarding The Scouse Filth 'hunting us down' and 'leaving us in their wake as they close in on another title'.

But I'm also sure that during the game and overnight, the media (and indeed a lot of Liverpool’s squad and supporters) have actually realised that we are streets ahead of them, that what Pep has done is to revolutionise the game in England. Not that they'd admit it..

Liverpool is a good team, no question. But yesterday all of that team's collective efforts, abilities, energy and technical skills were concentrated on just trying to keep up with us, trying to negate us.

They were gifted two goals by us (Jesus failing to prevent Robertson from crossing into the box and KdB and Eddy giving up possession cheaply straight from the 2nd half kick-off) yet created zero chances otherwise. Nor did Liverpool put us under any sustained pressure as we did them for the majority of the game.

And it was the same during the game at Anfield earlier this season.

Hence, the false media narrative now emerging, as you say, to allow The Scouse Filth to bask in the reflected glory of the unprecedented achievements of Pep and his squad in recent years.

The media whores and their anti-City agenda are plain to see. They'll never give us the credit we're due, so f**k 'em..
 
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Nicholas van Whatsisface said:
Absolutely right mate, and it’s a clear angle being pushed by the media - that we’re the two best teams of the last 6 years (since Pep and Klopp) - when the reality is you’ve got one team genuinely hitting the heights of greatness, and one who are their nearest challengers.

They’re even pushing the line that Pep and Bingo are pretty much neck and neck for the accolade of being the best manager of the modern era in England - when the reality is they’ve won one League title to our three, zero FA Cups to our one, one League Cup to our four, and one CL to our none.

That’s three major trophies to our eight in the same timeframe.

That’s not even close.

Even if they doubled their trophy count, they still wouldn’t be at our level!

They’re a good side - but we’re a level above them, and they know it.
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The dipper infested media can spout all the shite they want but everyone knows that since Klopp’s arrival City are out on their own by miles and then it’s a close run thing for 2nd between Chelsea and the dippers with Chelsea edging it currently
 
I'm a fairly big fan of XG, but all the models from yesterday have us fairly neck and neck, which seems like a nonsense to me. A proper game for some of the "watch the game, not the data" sorts on here!
 
SterlingSilvas said:


Fuck sake
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Think it’s time for the club to let everyone know they’ve introduced a system of analytical cameras (nudge nudge) which will pick up on these tight offside calls.
Also, why is spider cam never used? Surely that system would help with tight calls
 
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Chris in London said:
There is, IIRC, actually a ruling that says that offside should be judged at the moment when the player making the pass actually makes contact with the ball for his pass, not when the ball is released.

So why is it that on the NBC freeze frame, like the one sky used after Raheem scored, at the point he plays the ball Kevin's right leg is more or less upright, but on the freeze frame used by VAR his leg is extended and the ball is, as many have said, elongated due to the freeze frame. In other words, it's not when his foot makes contact with the ball, it's as it leaves it.

So why did VAR use the wrong frame? To my mind that can only be deliberate.
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Whilst I agree with your post my take on when the ball leaves the foot is the same moment the foot makes contact with the ball. So the frame used should have been well before the frame used by VAR. But after all it was livarpool we were playing. I personally think we will get done by the officials on Saturday and when you analyse the decisions livarpool have had since the bus wrecking, and some before Micahs handball? at anfield, I just don't see the officials changing tack at this stage.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Remind me again. What's XG?
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It is expected goals. Basically they calculate how many chances you create, and the likelihood you'd score them based on the averages of players scoring from similar positions. So if you get a penalty you get a score of 0.8. Its not a perfect stat, but if a team scores an XG of 4.1 but only wins 1-0 you get a sense of how one sided the game was even if the team didn't score loads.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I'm a fairly big fan of XG, but all the models from yesterday have us fairly neck and neck, which seems like a nonsense to me. A proper game for some of the "watch the game, not the data" sorts on here!
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It's worth noting we had a lot of chances where we were just behind/ahead on the final pass or didn't get a shot off in time. None of which are registered on xG.

For instance we played a few great balls in that required last minute Liverpool intervention, or the Rodri miscued header to Stones. All of which amount to 0 xG.

xG has a lot of value over the season but in individual games it can sometimes have errors like these.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
He has 12 months left on his contract and it doesn't get the same discussion as Salah's own situation, so it could piss him off in some respects.

Our balls over their high line exposed just how limited they are for pace and running back towards their own goal.

Pep knows Liverpool want to hit the spaces quickly in the corners and it's actually easier to plan for.
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we seemed to play them at what was their own game...high press which disrupted their back line (they aint good under pressure any of them) and as you say they dont like running back towards their own goal...esp TAA who gets caught out repeatedly and not just by us yesterday.....Hoping Son can exploit that when spurs play them as thats where I would be looking if i was him
 
mccity said:
It's worth noting we had a lot of chances where we were just behind/ahead on the final pass or didn't get a shot off in time. None of which are registered on xG.

For instance we played a few great balls in that required last minute Liverpool intervention, or the Rodri miscued header to Stones. All of which amount to 0 xG.

xG has a lot of value over the season but in individual games it can sometimes have errors like these.
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Yes, good point, and I've never seen a single game illustrate those limitations as much as yesterday!
 
A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden in was not the easier of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

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SterlingSilvas said:


Fuck sake
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the second pic is defintely before the first pic as his leg is still bent before he follows through in kicking the ball.....the question is how do you time a pass...the moment KDB's foot makes contact or the moment the ball comes awaw from KDB's foot....for me its the latter...the pass hasnt been played till after it leaves the players foot...but i can understand how others might disagree on that.

The other issue is the parts of the body for me with which they use to judge offside..I knoe you can technically score with your chest/torso and head as well as obviously with any part of the leg BUT for me offside should be judged on the players feet and no where else....
 
SebastianBlue said:
A few have claimed that the previous frame I posted showing the options available to Riyad for the potential game-winning chance at the end of the match was misleading, and that he couldn’t actually make the pass to Foden or sweep it in to the far post.

So here is a frame from *just* before he sends it in the stands with lines for what he did (red) and what he could have done (yellow).

I am not sure how anyone could argue that playing Foden is was not the easy of the two options, and mostly certainly an all but certain game winner.

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to be honest however if you look where Allison is he should score that everytime regardless of whether he should pass or not...its not even a difficult finish for someone of his ability..he should just stroke that around him...
think he got it slightly stuck under his feet hence why he chose not to do that possibly
 
Our tactics in this match were as far removed from how we normally play as Pep has ever produced during his time at City. If anything, we played more like how Liverpool usually play. What’s interesting then is the “Pep overthinks the big games” crowd are nowhere to be seen. Remember games such as this one when those comments next crop up. We played very well with unusual tactics (for us), but because it wasn’t a bad performance, or a loss, nobody considers the fact Pep didn’t say “do what you usually do lads” to get that performance. Let him do his thing, in other words.
 
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